Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Instrument voltage regulator question #1264966
07/09/12 09:48 PM
07/09/12 09:48 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 12,150
Benton, IL.
D
DaveRS23 Offline OP
Special needs idiot
DaveRS23  Offline OP
Special needs idiot
D

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 12,150
Benton, IL.
I would like to change my failing dash voltage regulator in my 68 Dart for one of the transistor ones. Any one have a good source?

Thanks!


Master, again and still
Re: Instrument voltage regulator question [Re: DaveRS23] #1264967
07/09/12 10:09 PM
07/09/12 10:09 PM
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 486
Sonoran desert, Arizona, USA
M
moparjo68 Offline
mopar
moparjo68  Offline
mopar
M

Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 486
Sonoran desert, Arizona, USA
I got mine thru Auto Instruments from Collinsville, Va. THEY CLAIM theirs are better than what you can purchase at the auto parts stores. All I know is........my dash voltage limiter works like it should.

Re: Instrument voltage regulator question [Re: DaveRS23] #1264968
07/09/12 10:15 PM
07/09/12 10:15 PM
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 5,399
Aurora, Colorado
451Mopar Offline
master
451Mopar  Offline
master

Joined: May 2008
Posts: 5,399
Aurora, Colorado
Quote:

I would like to change my failing dash voltage regulator in my 68 Dart for one of the transistor ones. Any one have a good source?

Thanks!




RT Engineering
http://rt-eng.com/rte/index.php/Main_Page

Re: Instrument voltage regulator question [Re: 451Mopar] #1264969
07/10/12 12:31 AM
07/10/12 12:31 AM
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 14,889
up yours
Supercuda Offline
About to go away
Supercuda  Offline
About to go away

Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 14,889
up yours
Quote:

Quote:

I would like to change my failing dash voltage regulator in my 68 Dart for one of the transistor ones. Any one have a good source?

Thanks!




RT Engineering
http://rt-eng.com/rte/index.php/Main_Page




50 bones is a pot load of cash for a marginal improvement.

I've built solid state regulators for this application for under $10 in the past. It isn't rocket science.


They say there are no such thing as a stupid question.
They say there is always the exception that proves the rule.
Don't be the exception.
Re: Instrument voltage regulator question [Re: Supercuda] #1264970
07/10/12 08:30 AM
07/10/12 08:30 AM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 12,150
Benton, IL.
D
DaveRS23 Offline OP
Special needs idiot
DaveRS23  Offline OP
Special needs idiot
D

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 12,150
Benton, IL.
Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

I would like to change my failing dash voltage regulator in my 68 Dart for one of the transistor ones. Any one have a good source?

Thanks!




RT Engineering
http://rt-eng.com/rte/index.php/Main_Page




50 bones is a pot load of cash for a marginal improvement.

I've built solid state regulators for this application for under $10 in the past. It isn't rocket science.




I thought $50 (actually $60 with shipping) was an awful lot, too. But I can't build one.

So, are you offering to build one for me?


Master, again and still
Re: Instrument voltage regulator question [Re: DaveRS23] #1264971
07/10/12 10:29 AM
07/10/12 10:29 AM
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 3
fl
I
ic237 Offline
member
ic237  Offline
member
I

Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 3
fl

Re: Instrument voltage regulator question [Re: DaveRS23] #1264972
07/10/12 10:29 AM
07/10/12 10:29 AM
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 1,357
central Florida
VL21 Offline
pro stock
VL21  Offline
pro stock

Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 1,357
central Florida
At first it does seem like a lot for something you cannot see and polish, and no one will ooh and awe over.
Then I think about the fail safe modes for the gauges, the reliability, and the fact I will most likely never have to deal with the gauge problems again...seems more reasonable.
I can't even go to a free cruise in without spending $20-30 on burgers and beverages...

OK, so I like to eat.


It takes gasoline to interest me.
Re: Instrument voltage regulator question [Re: DaveRS23] #1264973
07/10/12 12:31 PM
07/10/12 12:31 PM
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 5,399
Aurora, Colorado
451Mopar Offline
master
451Mopar  Offline
master

Joined: May 2008
Posts: 5,399
Aurora, Colorado
You asked for a source, and the RTE regulator is the best solution. It is a direct plug in that looks correct, and it is a switching regulator, so it operates with low heat, quick gauge response, and protects the gauges from full voltage if the dash looses it's ground connection. It is quite a bit more complex than a linear voltage regulator.

On the otherhand, the linear voltage regulator is cheap and easy to build, but it generates quite a bit of heat and needs to be bolted to the regulator case (at a minimum - I will get to this later) to use the case body as a heat sink. Because of the bolt it won't look stock (like anyone is going to be looking under the dash anyway?)
When I tested the gauges in my '69 Rally dash, each one used about 0.25 Amps at full scale, so the maximum current draw (Full tank of gas, 80+ PSI oil pressure, and the engine overheating) could possably pull 0.75 Amp from the regulator.
The problem with the typical 7805 linear voltage regulator is that it will start to go into thermal shutdown around 0.5 Amp unless it has a good size heat sink. If you use a higher current rated 7805 (really just a 7805 regulator with a lower junction temperature so it dissipates heat better), and add a heat sink to the case then the linear regulator can handle the maximum current load. If you do not heat sink the regulator, and it starts to go into thermal shutdown, your gauges will not be accurate and will read lower than the true value.
All that said, here is a list of the parts I used to build my linear regulator.
Linear Regulator - UA7805CKC 5.0 Volt, 1.5A Regulator T0-220AB case, Digi-Key part # 296-1974-5-ND.
Input side Capacitor - ECS-F1EE106K, 10ufd, 25 volt, Tantalum Capacitor, Digi-Key # P2049-ND.
Output side Capacitor - ECS-F1CE105K, 1.0ufd, 16 volt, Tantalum Capacitor, Digi-Key # P2105-ND.
Heat sink - 504222B0000, T0-220 case, 1.45", 10 Watt, Digi-Key # HS104-2-ND.

Dissasembly: carefully uncrimp the regulator case and remove the terminal board, then remove the mechanical regulator.

Assembly: Place the regulator inside the case, and the head sink on the outside to find the best location for drilling a mounting hole. drill the hole in the stock case. The Tantalum caps are small, so you can place them ontop the regulator and just wrap the cap leads around the regulator leads. solder wires and the caps to the regulator leads, the connect the wires to the stock input and output terminals, and the ground. Put some heat sink compound under the regulator and external heat sink, and bolt the regulator, case and heatsink together. Position/isolate the regulator leads so they don't touch the case body, then put the terminal board back in and re-crimp it. Where the ground connects to the case, solder it for a good ground connection.
I used a large heatsink that I think the case would fit inside of, and then bent the leads out so the heat sink would fit close to the dash circuit board and not stick out the back.

I bench tested this setup at 0.8Amp and let it heat soak for almost a day, and it did not go into thermal shutdown.

Re: Instrument voltage regulator question [Re: 451Mopar] #1264974
07/10/12 08:17 PM
07/10/12 08:17 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,194
M
MoreParts Offline
super stock
MoreParts  Offline
super stock
M

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,194
I'll just give another thumbs up to RT Engineerings version. I bought one off a member here at a great discount and would have thought it a bargain at full price. The peace of mind knowing my gauges aren't going to fry is worth it alone. The added bonus is it looks stock except when it's operating and the little LED in the back begins blinking to let you know things are a okay. Installation under dash is doable, but it's really a pain in the neck.

Re: Instrument voltage regulator question [Re: 451Mopar] #1264975
07/10/12 09:20 PM
07/10/12 09:20 PM
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 3
fl
I
ic237 Offline
member
ic237  Offline
member
I

Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 3
fl
Whats nice about the rte unit is that it looks original and duplicates the pulses as they should have been in a perfect world. However, the do have that nasty little draw back. If yoi pay attention to their sequence of operation you will notice a flaw that could/will undermine the protection which its supposed to do. When you hit key on it goes into a full 12 volt sequence to warm up the gauges as the original did. But one thing the ofiginal did was retain heat. So in that cold morning where the car doesn't want to start and you are cranking away, you are effectively causing damage to your system. The original ivr would atleast be warm enough to start regulating. Rte doesn't know the difference and starts pumping away.when you troubleshoot over the phone its never the regulators fault, must be bad gauges or sendors... The linear regulators are nice too. They just two hours or so to get it in the old can if you are goinv for the nastalgic look, they to have their drawbavks. One is if they loose ground they will output the full battery voltage. Also if they fail, internal fault, they will also put out full juice.. The third option is "switch mode regulators" thats what the Ebay one is. It works off of AC transformer priciples. It jas a fixed on off signal and then is buffed out with caps to a steady lower voltage. Without a ground it doesnt work and with an internal fault the chip goes high and the voltage goes low. Since its not linear it doesnt get hot like its counterpart. It will also provides overload protection as the linear versions.

Re: Instrument voltage regulator question [Re: ic237] #1264976
07/10/12 10:22 PM
07/10/12 10:22 PM
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 36,041
Lincoln Nebraska
R
RapidRobert Offline
Circle Track
RapidRobert  Offline
Circle Track
R

Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 36,041
Lincoln Nebraska
Quote:

The third option is "switch mode regulators" thats what the Ebay one is. It works off of AC transformer priciples. It jas a fixed on off signal and then is buffed out with caps to a steady lower voltage. Without a ground it doesnt work and with an internal fault the chip goes high and the voltage goes low. Since its not linear it doesnt get hot like its counterpart. It will also provides overload protection as the linear versions.


You've convinced me! Where on eBay?


live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth
Re: Instrument voltage regulator question [Re: RapidRobert] #1264977
07/10/12 10:36 PM
07/10/12 10:36 PM
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 3
fl
I
ic237 Offline
member
ic237  Offline
member
I

Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 3
fl
Quote:

Quote:

The third option is "switch mode regulators" thats what the Ebay one is. It works off of AC transformer priciples. It jas a fixed on off signal and then is buffed out with caps to a steady lower voltage. Without a ground it doesnt work and with an internal fault the chip goes high and the voltage goes low. Since its not linear it doesnt get hot like its counterpart. It will also provides overload protection as the linear versions.


You've convinced me! Where on eBay?


http://www.ebay.com/itm/280911702652?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1586.l2649







Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.1