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schwartz performance What do you think?
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07/06/12 10:26 PM
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Looking to build a car or do i buy a used SRT8 Challenger.I love 70 Road Runners. So can i build one to handle like a new car? My brother told me about this schwartz performance.Do you go down that road or can you piece together a car with parts. Sent them a email and they have E and B boddy frames. Told me $2-4k to put a full frame under the car with suspension.lets here the pros and cons. thanks
1969 Dodge Coronet R/T Convertible
1979 LiL Red x2
2012 Yellow Jacket
2006 mega cab
1977 Trailduster
1979 Trailduster
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Re: schwartz performance What do you think?
[Re: hulmule]
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07/06/12 10:51 PM
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Looking to build a car or do i buy a used SRT8 Challenger.I love 70 Road Runners. So can i build one to handle like a new car? My brother told me about this schwartz performance.Do you go down that road or can you piece together a car with parts. Sent them a email and they have E and B boddy frames. Told me $2-4k to put a full frame under the car with suspension.lets here the pros and cons. thanks
I see $9,199 as a base price. And you still have to have fixture and mount your rear end. Still have to make a steering column and other "stuff" from what I can see at just a glance.
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Re: schwartz performance What do you think?
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07/06/12 11:03 PM
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http://schwartzperformance.com/mopar-b-body/Pricing: Base Price: $ 9,199.00 Disc Brake Kit: 13″ Plain rotor, 6 piston front, 4 piston rear Wilwood (+$2,669) 13″ cross-drilled OR slotted, 6 piston front, 4 piston rear Wilwood (+$2,969) 14″ cross-drilled, Baer 6P Calipers (+$4,500) 14″ cross-drilled, Baer 6S Calipers (+$7,995) Coilover Shocks/ Springs: None ($0) RideTech Single-Adjustable (+$1,300) RideTech Triple-Adjustable (+$2,600) Rear End Housing & Axles: None; weld your brackets to my housing (+$189) Moser full-floating 9″, 31 spline axles (+1,814) Moser M9 full-floating 9″, 31 spline axles (+2,304) Heidts IRS, Installed (+$8,495) Third Member/Differential: None Trac Lock posi, cast iron case +($995.00) Detroit TrueTrac, cast iron case +($1295.00) Detroit TrueTrac, Moser spec w/ nodular case +($1495.00) Detroit TrueTrac, Moser spec w/ aluminum case +($1695.00) Rear End Ratio: None 3.25:1 3.50:1 3.70:1 3.89:1 4.10:1 4.56:1 Motor Mounts: New Hemi 5.7/6.1 +($145.00) Old-school Hemi +($145.00) Other Powdercoat: No powdercoat, bare steel Your choice of colors +($1,600) Assembly: I’ll assemble myself Please assemble my chassis +($595.00) Payment terms: 75% down at time of order, remaining 25% due before shipment.
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Re: schwartz performance What do you think?
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07/06/12 11:03 PM
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Link? 
56 Plaza 63 D100 step side 67 Coronet, 68 Roadrunner, 69 Super Bees, 69 Coronet 500 convertible, 70 Roadrunner Post, 79 D150 360, and a severe case of Mopar a,d,d
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Re: schwartz performance What do you think?
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07/06/12 11:20 PM
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wow, got to go and look at that. his email didnt sound like that.That being said , i guess need to look else where. That SRT8 is looking better, with the big brakes, etc jump in and drive.
1969 Dodge Coronet R/T Convertible
1979 LiL Red x2
2012 Yellow Jacket
2006 mega cab
1977 Trailduster
1979 Trailduster
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Re: schwartz performance What do you think?
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07/07/12 12:34 AM
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I think the 2-4 grand is for the labour to install the parts on your car, not purchase them.
Get the SRT8 and enjoy, you'll end up with as much money into the old car and it won't likely outperform the new one, Plus you can start driving it the day you buy it.
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Re: schwartz performance What do you think?
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07/07/12 04:57 PM
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Quote:
Base Price: $ 9,199.00
Disc Brake Kit:
13″ Plain rotor, 6 piston front, 4 piston rear Wilwood (+$2,669)
Coilover Shocks/ Springs:
RideTech Single-Adjustable (+$1,300)
Rear End Housing & Axles:
Moser full-floating 9″, 31 spline axles (+1,814)
Third Member/Differential:
None
Trac Lock posi, cast iron case +($995.00)
Rear End Ratio:
3.70:1
Motor Mounts:
Old-school Hemi +($145.00)
Powdercoat:
Your choice of colors +($1,600)
Assembly:
I’ll assemble myself
Looks like the cheap options and putting it all together yourself costs you $17,722.00. I'd call that almost half way to a used R/T Challenger.
Quote:
Base Price: $ 9,199.00
Disc Brake Kit:
14″ cross-drilled, Baer 6S Calipers (+$7,995)
Coilover Shocks/ Springs:
RideTech Triple-Adjustable (+$2,600)
Rear End Housing & Axles:
Heidts IRS, Installed (+$8,495)
Third Member/Differential:
Detroit TrueTrac, Moser spec w/ aluminum case +($1695.00)
Rear End Ratio:
3.70:1
Motor Mounts:
New Hemi 5.7/6.1 +($145.00)
Powdercoat:
Your choice of colors +($1,600)
Assembly:
Please assemble my chassis +($595.00)
If you go the fully optioned route, it adds up to $32,324.00. Thats a lot of coin for only marginal performance gain over what you can do to the stock system for $4000. Of course the Schwartz guys will spout off about their adjustablity and geometry changes and how that all is head and shoulders above stock stuff.
For your 70 Roadrunner, including vehicle purchase, restoration, and rebuild costs, and your classic could easily top $100k using the figures above.
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Re: schwartz performance What do you think?
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07/07/12 10:33 PM
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Art Morrison has kits for Mopars too.
Mopar to the bone!!!
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Re: schwartz performance What do you think?
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07/08/12 06:42 AM
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Actually you can buy a resto modded Mopar for about the same cash you would spend with this frame company. Here on Moparts in the 71 and up B body this car is available not mine and I dont know the guy that built it but here you go:
71 roadrunner srt 6.1 hemi conversion
all of the goodies:
alterkation
TTI
wilwood - all 4 corners
Challenger SRT interior
AC. Power windows
518 O.D.
Build up is posted in member projects section of this board.
Was featured in Jan 2012 Chrysler power magazine.
ASKING $36k (you may be surprised what I may sell this car for....to the right person!)
PM here or call 813 434 6668
thanks
Dave
this car is sick - I would buy it!
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Re: schwartz performance What do you think?
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07/08/12 05:18 PM
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Actually you can buy a resto modded Mopar for about the same cash you would spend with this frame company. Here on Moparts in the 71 and up B body this car is available not mine and I dont know the guy that built it but here you go:
71 roadrunner srt 6.1 hemi conversion
all of the goodies:
alterkation
TTI
wilwood - all 4 corners
Challenger SRT interior
AC. Power windows
518 O.D.
Build up is posted in member projects section of this board.
Was featured in Jan 2012 Chrysler power magazine.
ASKING $36k (you may be surprised what I may sell this car for....to the right person!)
PM here or call 813 434 6668
thanks
Dave
this car is sick - I would buy it!
No doubt, anyone can have a new Challenger just sign here.............
That 71 Road Runner is a good looking ride!
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Re: schwartz performance What do you think?
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07/08/12 07:48 PM
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"Your Mopar’s uni-body construction is inherently weak. Our G-Machine Chassis isn’t."
Wow, really!?
While in stock form it leaves a lot to be desired, I think I could spend $9k+ and have a uni-body that is more than up to the task!
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Re: schwartz performance What do you think?
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07/09/12 05:01 PM
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Like most all build vs. buy questions, the answer depends on these things:
1. Do you enjoy building cars?
2. Is the concept more important to you than the money?
3. Do you want to enjoy the end product now, or is the journey to get there part of your enjoyment?
4. Will you actually explore the limits 100% at the track, or is it a street car?
It's almost always less expensive to buy a finished project, like the '71 B mentioned, IF it's done right and it's to your taste. You need to set the goals & budget. I can appreciate the new stuff, but to me old cars are WAY cooler and usually a better investment. I've built enough cars to feel confident that I can do an early Camaro, Mustang, Challenger, etc that would equal the new models' performance for about the same money.
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my dad has the srt8 challenger, its a blast to drive. 6 speed, etc.
