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Best oil pick up for big block with stock pan
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07/03/12 01:24 AM
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I'm in the market for a new oil pick up and was wondering if some are better than others. Melling and Milodon both make ones with a single large radius turn instead of multiple turns like in the stock or Mopar Performance units. I'm assuming that less turns on the inlet side of the pump would equal better pump performance, but wondering whether there are any fit issues with using one of these. I'll be using stock windage tray and stock 402 oil pan on a 383. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/MEL-63-S3/http://www.summitracing.com/parts/MIL-18662/
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Re: Best oil pick up for big block with stock pan
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07/03/12 05:39 PM
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The pics on the Summit pages are probably generic, the number of bends in the stock tube differ with the installation and so will the replacements.
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Re: Best oil pick up for big block with stock pan
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07/03/12 07:07 PM
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For a stock pickup, just set it on the bottom of the pan? I am changing the pan/pickup in the Dart.
When installing the pickup, anything on the threads or just snug it tight?
383, Hemi 4-Speed, AlterKtion, D60
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Re: Best oil pick up for big block with stock pan
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07/03/12 07:58 PM
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x3 , get a new replacement for the stock pickup, the pickups for the HP pans are readily available from Mopar Performance.
Do you know the Mopar Performance part number?
Looks like Mancini and Summit offer two choices by Mopar Performance, # 4529564 or # 5007848.
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Re: Best oil pick up for big block with stock pan
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07/03/12 11:29 PM
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I like replacing the 402 pan with the 1970/71 Street Hemi 440 6 pak 6 quart oil pan and pick up. I use the stock 3/8 pick up on my 518 C.I. pump gas stroker in my Duster, I shift it at 7000 + RPM on every run, car runs low tens at 132+ MPH, no oiling problems so far, going on five years with that set up on several other motors also 
What I use also. Mancini sells the kit with stock style pickup for reasonable cost. Bullet proof to 6500 RPM, with care good to 7000+ RPM.
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Re: Best oil pick up for big block with stock pan
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07/03/12 11:38 PM
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Crazy68Dart
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I like replacing the 402 pan with the 1970/71 Street Hemi 440 6 pak 6 quart oil pan and pick up. I use the stock 3/8 pick up on my 518 C.I. pump gas stroker in my Duster, I shift it at 7000 + RPM on every run, car runs low tens at 132+ MPH, no oiling problems so far, going on five years with that set up on several other motors also
I got the truck (rear sump) pan kit just today. It is replacing the 402 that is on the motor. Hemi pan does not clear the rack on alterktion. Found some other posts searching and saw that recommendation is zero to 1/8" clearance for the pickup to pan. Also got a windage tray since it was just a little more than getting the gasket separately.
OP I didn't mean to ask/high-jack earlier.
383, Hemi 4-Speed, AlterKtion, D60
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Re: Best oil pick up for big block with stock pan
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07/04/12 12:34 PM
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OP I didn't mean to ask/high-jack earlier.
No worries. Same subject matter so better to cover it under one thread instead of starting another IMO.
Hemi pan sounds like a nice upgrade, but I'll be using my 402 pan for now.
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Re: Best oil pick up for big block with stock pan
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10/02/12 12:43 AM
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I like replacing the 402 pan with the 1970/71 Street Hemi 440 6 pak 6 quart oil pan and pick up. I use the stock 3/8 pick up on my 518 C.I. pump gas stroker in my Duster, I shift it at 7000 + RPM on every run, car runs low tens at 132+ MPH, no oiling problems so far, going on five years with that set up on several other motors also
What oil pump are you using? How is the fit, ground clearance, and turning on the A-Body Duster?
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Re: Best oil pick up for big block with stock pan
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10/02/12 03:36 AM
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What oil pump are you using? How is the fit, ground clearance, and turning on the A-Body Duster?
The idler arm does hit the oil pan when making hard right hand turns but not enough to bother me  It does have hedman fender well headers also so that may have something to do with the turning radius also  I use a either a Mellings or Speed Pro high volume oil pump, which ever one is cheaper at the time I'm building the motors I build I do cut the bypass spring down to lower the oil pressure to get 10 lbs. per 1000 RPM, stock they make 80 lbs idling when cold That is the bypass pressure usually so I let it warm up to get the oil hot and then whatch the oil pressure readings on the dyno test and cut one coil off at a time and then make another pull to get the pressure I want One complete coil is usually enough to get 70 lbs at 7000 RPM  I cut one half off to much on my 518, it ended up having 65 lbs at 6500 RPM and the same at above 6500 RPM, that is with 5Wx20WT oil hot  
Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)
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Re: Best oil pick up for big block with stock pan
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10/02/12 04:19 PM
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DanteGray
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Thanks for the tips...  I always thought a 6qt pan would run dry above 6200rpms with a high volume pump. I guess I dont need a 1/2 tube either then since your running 3/8. What is your normal oil idle presure (if you have 10lbs per 100rpm, 900idle you have 9psi)? Is this safe for a street car?
Last edited by DanteGray; 10/02/12 04:26 PM.
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Re: Best oil pick up for big block with stock pan
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10/02/12 04:40 PM
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Thanks for the tips... I always thought a 6qt pan would run dry above 6200rpms with a high volume pump.
I guess I dont need a 1/2 tube either then since your running 3/8.
What is your normal oil idle presure (if you have 10lbs per 100rpm, 900idle you have 9psi)?
Is this safe for a street car?
The oil pressure varys with oil temps, I use Valvoline 5W20WT non synthetic oil, it will drop down to 18 lbs at 800 RPM with the oil temps above 185 F It has 30 lbs at 1000 RPM and 40 lbs at 1500 RPM, 65 lbs at 7300 RPM in high gear Its all good I do have to keep the oil pan at or above 1/2 quart below the full line, if I don't the oil pressure will drop off some after letting off on one of the 130 MPH+ 1/4 mile runs it makes I use the Federal Mogul narrow full groove truck bearings also I do use the stock 1970/71 440 six pak Mopar 3/8 pickup, I make sure it is no higher than 1/8 off the bottom of the oil pan It doesn't hurt to have it touch either as long as it doesn't hold the oil pan off of the block before tightening I also use a crankshaft scraper (I make my own, you can to ) also to help free up some power and keep the oil in the pan
Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)
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Re: Best oil pick up for big block with stock pan
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10/03/12 09:18 AM
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I do have to keep the oil pan at or above 1/2 quart below the full line, if I don't the oil pressure will drop off some after letting off on one of the 130 MPH+ 1/4 mile runs it makes
Are you running 1/2 above or below the full line? This statement confused me.
How do you make a crank scraper?
How many RPM can you go with the an unmodified HV pump, 3/8 P/u and no mods in the 6qt hemi pan?
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