RPM module Help? (need members support)
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08/03/04 07:02 AM
08/03/04 07:02 AM
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64hemi
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I would like to put a comprehensive list together of the values for different RPM chips. ie: MSD's rpm chips.Since all RPM modules are based off resistance (ohms) all we need to do is use an ohm meter to read the resistance for a given RPM chip. Example only 2000 RPM=1.34 ohms. If we know the values of a given RPM it would make it easier for anyone with an adjustable module ( one with a small set screw you turn to increase or decrease the resistance) to tune without having to install and test in the car. You could also go to radioshack and buy the resistor and make your own. We could put this in the Tech archives for future use. What do you all think? I will put the list together if you guys/gals send me the resistance values for the following RPM's or anything in between.
3000=1.91 ohms
3200=
3400=2.21 ohms
3600
3800
4000=2.70 ohms
4200
4400
4600=3.21 ohms
4800
5000=3.58 ohms
5200=3.77 ohms
5400=3.95 ohms
5600=4.16 ohms
5800=4.35 ohms
6000=4.57 ohms
6300=4.88 ohms
6500=5.10 ohms
6600=5.20 ohms
6700=5.32 ohms
6800=5.43 ohms
6900=5.55 ohms
7000=5.65 ohms
7400=6.12 ohms
7600=6.38 ohms
7800=6.63 ohms
8000=6.89 ohms
8600=7.69 ohms
8800=7.97 ohms
9000=8.27 ohms
Last edited by 64hemi; 08/03/04 06:06 PM.
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Re: RPM module Help? (need members support)
[Re: wildcargo]
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08/03/04 09:58 AM
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Terry, here is a list I found on dragraceresults.com tech talk board a while back. When I checked my chips against it, they matched. Congratulations on your track outing by the way!!
3000 1.91 3400 2.21 4000 2.70 4600 3.21 5000 3.58 5200 3.77 5400 3.95 5600 4.16 5800 4.35 6000 4.57 6300 4.88 6500 5.10 6600 5.20 6700 5.32 6800 5.43 6900 5.55 7000 5.65 7400 6.12 7600 6.38 7800 6.63 8000 6.89 8600 7.69 8800 7.97 9000 8.27
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Re: RPM module Help? (need members support)
[Re: 64hemi]
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08/03/04 09:24 PM
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Okay - first of all you are off by a factor of 1000. The values listed would be in kilo ohms. The values (at least in the lower ranges) appear to be pretty accurate.
Remember that if you are going to use resistors you want wire wound precision resistors. Carbon resistors vary too much with temperature and have a wide tolerance range (up to 10%).
I use a 10 turn pot for my launch rpm. I forgot if it is a 5k or 10k pot. I put a resistor in parallel with it. Forgot the value right now, but if the pot were to fail the rpm would still be pretty safe.
Below is the chart I use for my setup:
RPM setting resistance (ohms) 2000 100 859 2100 117 956 2200 133 1052 2300 150 1149 2400 167 1246 2500 188 1342 2600 208 1439 2700 229 1536 2800 253 1632 2900 278 1729 3000 300 1826 3100 333 1922 3200 362 2019 3300 397 2115 3400 433 2212 3500 470 2309 3600 515 2405 3700 560 2502 3800 611 2599 3900 670 2695 4000 733 2792 4100 803 2889 4200 880 2985 4300 970 3082
BTW, the MSD chips tend not to be too accurate. The 3000 chip I used to use went to 3100.
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Re: RPM module Help? (need members support)
[Re: 64hemi]
#12552
08/04/04 04:22 PM
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Well for anyone who cares, I did a 4th order polynomial linear regression of the values you provided. Came up with an R squared value of 1 (very good). Don't worry if you aren't a math whiz. The formula is pretty accurate from what I can tell given the resistance values you posted.
Bottom line is that you can use the following formula for any rpm you want:
resistance (in ohms)=(-1*(10^-14)*(RPM^4))+(3*(10^-9)*(RPM^3))+(7*(10^-6)*(RPM^2))+(0.6371*RPM)-150
or use the following chart:
rpm resistance 1000 497 1100 563 1200 630 1300 697 1400 764 1500 831 1600 900 1700 968 1800 1037 1900 1106 2000 1176 2100 1246 2200 1317 2300 1389 2400 1461 2500 1533 2600 1606 2700 1680 2800 1754 2900 1829 3000 1904 3100 1981 3200 2058 3300 2135 3400 2214 3500 2293 3600 2373 3700 2453 3800 2535 3900 2617 4000 2700 4100 2784 4200 2868 4300 2954 4400 3041 4500 3128 4600 3216 4700 3306 4800 3396 4900 3487 5000 3579 5100 3672 5200 3767 5300 3862 5400 3958 5500 4056 5600 4154 5700 4254 5800 4355 5900 4457 6000 4560 6100 4664 6200 4769 6300 4876 6400 4984 6500 5093 6600 5203 6700 5315 6800 5428 6900 5542 7000 5658 7100 5775 7200 5893 7300 6013 7400 6134 7500 6256 7600 6380 7700 6505 7800 6632 7900 6760 8000 6890 8100 7021 8200 7154 8300 7288 8400 7424 8500 7561 8600 7700 8700 7841 8800 7983 8900 8127 9000 8272 9100 8419 9200 8568 9300 8719 9400 8871 9500 9025 9600 9181 9700 9338 9800 9497 9900 9658 10000 9821 I can email an Excel spreadsheet with the formula to anyone interested.
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Re: RPM module Help? (need members support)
[Re: markz528]
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08/04/04 04:31 PM
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guys, this is a great help as a buddy and I have had some chips in the past that were suspect, this gives me a way to check them if a question arises about their accuracy, once again thanks and a big A+ on the home work.
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Re: RPM module Help? (need members support)
[Re: markz528]
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08/04/04 04:39 PM
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B1Ken
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Quote:
Well for anyone who cares, I did a 4th order polynomial linear regression of the values you provided. Came up with an R squared value of 1 (very good). resistance (in ohms)=(-1*(10^-14)*(RPM^4))+(3*(10^-9)*(RPM^3))+(7*(10^-6)*(RPM^2))+(0.6371*RPM)-150
or use the following chart:
I can email an Excel spreadsheet with the formula to anyone interested.
Damn.. I was just thinking about doing the same thing with Excel when I read your post. Excel is great for such things. (I teach it). Good job, Mark!
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Re: RPM module Help? (need members support)
[Re: Sixpak]
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08/04/04 10:10 PM
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This is new to me, definitely great information and I'll probably print this out. Thanks!
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