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440 source stroker kit #1251865 06/16/12 12:02 AM 06/16/12 12:02 AM
Joined: May 2008 Posts: 26 colorado 9 929lamasters OP member
929lamasters OP member 9 Joined: May 2008 Posts: 26 colorado	I want to build a stroker motor. I want to build the 528 and I want to know if any one has built one and used the stock oil pick up and how hard is it. The people at 440 source say I have to use a external oiling system and I don't want to do that I want to keep the stock oiling system

Re: 440 source stroker kit [Re: 929lamasters] #1251866 06/16/12 03:17 AM 06/16/12 03:17 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,082 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,082 U.S.S.A.	Quote: I want to build a stroker motor. I want to build the 528 and I want to know if any one has built one and used the stock oil pick up and how hard is it. The people at 440 source say I have to use a external oiling system and I don't want to do that I want to keep the stock oiling system If the source says you need to go external then that is more than likely the case .

Re: 440 source stroker kit [Re: 929lamasters] #1251867 06/16/12 10:30 AM 06/16/12 10:30 AM
Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 15,119 85086 moparpollack Lil Herman
moparpollack Lil Herman Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 15,119 85086	No matter how many places you post this question the answer is still going to be the same. Why would you not trust or agree with the people who are selling the kits response? It's only the oiling system why would you want to skimp on that? 56 Plaza 63 D100 step side 67 Coronet, 68 Roadrunner, 69 Super Bees, 69 Coronet 500 convertible, 70 Roadrunner Post, 79 D150 360, and a severe case of Mopar a,d,d

Re: 440 source stroker kit [Re: moparpollack] #1251868 06/16/12 11:23 AM 06/16/12 11:23 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,082 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,082 U.S.S.A.	Quote: It's only the oiling system why would you want to skimp on that? It's not so much that he is skimping as the clearance inside the block with a larger stroke crank can interfere with the pickup tube/boss. Sounds to me like he doesn't want to deal with the work ... and money ... involved with an external pickup assembly.

Re: 440 source stroker kit [Re: JohnRR] #1251869 06/16/12 11:51 AM 06/16/12 11:51 AM
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cudaboy master C Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,053 Bowling Green, KY	Quote: No matter how many places you post this question the answer is still going to be the same. Why would you not trust or agree with the people who are selling the kits response? I wuold trust the opinion of certain people here on Moparts before some salesperson. Dennis

Re: 440 source stroker kit [Re: cudaboy] #1251870 06/16/12 12:06 PM 06/16/12 12:06 PM
Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 4,785 Holland MI Ottawa 2 2boltmain master
2boltmain master 2 Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 4,785 Holland MI Ottawa	Just go with the 500-512 and be done. Keep old mopars alive.

Re: 440 source stroker kit [Re: JohnRR] #1251871 06/16/12 12:12 PM 06/16/12 12:12 PM
Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 15,119 85086 moparpollack Lil Herman
moparpollack Lil Herman Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 15,119 85086	Quote: Quote: It's only the oiling system why would you want to skimp on that? It's not so much that he is skimping as the clearance inside the block with a larger stroke crank can interfere with the pickup tube/boss. Sounds to me like he doesn't want to deal with the work ... and money ... involved with an external pickup assembly. I answered this same answer when he posted in the general section. Also suggested going with the 512. 56 Plaza 63 D100 step side 67 Coronet, 68 Roadrunner, 69 Super Bees, 69 Coronet 500 convertible, 70 Roadrunner Post, 79 D150 360, and a severe case of Mopar a,d,d

Re: 440 source stroker kit [Re: 929lamasters] #1251872 06/16/12 12:47 PM 06/16/12 12:47 PM
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AndyF I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,060 Oregon	Go to www.arengineering.com and look at the book section as well as the tech articles. There is plenty of information available showing how to run internal oiling with a stroker big block. Last edited by AndyF; 06/16/12 12:49 PM.

Re: 440 source stroker kit [Re: moparpollack] #1251873 06/16/12 04:27 PM 06/16/12 04:27 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,082 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,082 U.S.S.A.	Quote: Quote: Quote: It's only the oiling system why would you want to skimp on that? It's not so much that he is skimping as the clearance inside the block with a larger stroke crank can interfere with the pickup tube/boss. Sounds to me like he doesn't want to deal with the work ... and money ... involved with an external pickup assembly. I answered this same answer when he posted in the general section. Also suggested going with the 512. he also posted the same question in the race section nevermind he is going to build 528 cubes in a STOCK 440 block , that has to be a long arm wit ha small bore ... not that it's going to last very long ...

Re: 440 source stroker kit [Re: JohnRR] #1251874 06/16/12 05:24 PM 06/16/12 05:24 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,941 Holly/MI D Dean_Kuzluzski master
Dean_Kuzluzski master D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,941 Holly/MI	Quote: he also posted the same question in the race section nevermind he is going to build 528 cubes in a STOCK 440 block , that has to be a long arm wit ha small bore ... not that it's going to last very long ... Actually, ALL 3 forums, General, Q&A and Race Forum!! 528 cubes ina stock block isn't a problem if it is held in the right rpm range. Some guys feel they need the extra inches/size. Getting past that, building a stout shortblock to last makes better sense. At a minimum, I'd do stud kit/line hone and seriously think about a girdle. R.I.P.- Gary "Coop" Davis 02/09/68-05/13/04

Re: 440 source stroker kit [Re: Dean_Kuzluzski] #1251875 06/16/12 05:39 PM 06/16/12 05:39 PM
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,025 Las Vegas, NV dodgeboy11 super stock
dodgeboy11 super stock Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,025 Las Vegas, NV	Yes, you can clear a 1/2" pickup tube with the 4.375" stroke if it has a 2.2 rod journal. Now it's not a simple, drill and tap the hole and screw it in type of deal. The hole has to be drilled at the proper angle. If you get it off by much, especially towards the center of the block, it won't clear. Plus, I had to stick a tapered punch in the threaded portion of the pickup tube and use a piece of round stock in a press to slightly flatten the tube right next to the threads. The punch was so the threads would not distort. This was a pump gas 523 with victor heads and a hydraulic roller of specs I cannot remember. 650 tq and 640 hp. So, to answer your question, yes it can be done. The real question is why do you want to do it this way? It's a real PITA and an external setup is better all around. The pickup screen is the perfect distance from the bottom of the sump, it's aligned properly, the line is bigger which means more oil supply and the hose is easily routed around things if needed simply by making a longer hose.

Re: 440 source stroker kit [Re: Dean_Kuzluzski] #1251876 06/16/12 05:59 PM 06/16/12 05:59 PM
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not_a_charger Mr. Big Shot Moparts Moderator Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 19,970 Puttin' on the foil in Charles...	Quote: Actually, ALL 3 forums, General, Q&A and Race Forum!! Not no more. Earning every penny of that moderator paycheck. DBAP

Re: 440 source stroker kit [Re: not_a_charger] #1251877 06/16/12 07:49 PM 06/16/12 07:49 PM
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mikemee1331 master M Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 4,154 bethlehem pa	Quote: Quote: Actually, ALL 3 forums, General, Q&A and Race Forum!! Not no more. ahh, the long arm of the law to add sensability to Moparts

Re: 440 source stroker kit [Re: mikemee1331] #1251878 06/16/12 11:49 PM 06/16/12 11:49 PM
Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 2,154 Its a TRAP! DARTH V8Я Oh No!! I just had a moron attack!
DARTH V8Я Oh No!! I just had a moron attack! Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 2,154 Its a TRAP!	not_a_charger... seriously funny guy lol.. me thinks Tom needs to give him a raise! anyways, yah 528 from a stock block although can be done, its not the best solution.. go aftermarket block. When it takes more than a sweet mullet to prove you rule at the trailer park..

Re: 440 source stroker kit [Re: 929lamasters] #1251879 06/17/12 01:43 AM 06/17/12 01:43 AM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,263 Bend,OR USA C Cab_Burge I Win
Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,263 Bend,OR USA	If you use a 4.375 or 4.380 bore with a 4.375 stroke crankshaft with 2.2 rod journals you can use the stock 3/8 internal pickup(you don't need no stinking 1/2 inch oil pickup ) and the stock 1970-71 Street Hemi and 440 6 pak 6 quart oil pan, in most Mopar cars. I do in my 518 C.I. low deck stroker with a 4.300 stroke and 2.2 H beam BB chevy type rods I shift the motor over 7000 RPM on every run and don't have any lubrication issues at all, thats in a lot of racing over the last 7 yrs Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: 440 source stroker kit [Re: moparpollack] #1251880 06/17/12 08:16 AM 06/17/12 08:16 AM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 5,337 the house on the left. C cogen80 master
cogen80 master C Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 5,337 the house on the left.	Quote: No matter how many places you post this question the answer is still going to be the same. Why would you not trust or agree with the people who are selling the kits response? It's only the oiling system why would you want to skimp on that? one of those guys that will keep asking until someone tells him what he wants to hear.

Re: 440 source stroker kit [Re: cogen80] #1251881 06/17/12 12:23 PM 06/17/12 12:23 PM
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 8,902 Ontario, Canada S Stanton Don't question me!
Stanton Don't question me! S Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 8,902 Ontario, Canada	I used that 528" 440Source kit. The oil p/u boss needed only minimal grinding so the stock pickup "may" fit but I use an external system so I can't say what other issues you may encounter. Could be the crank would hit the tube. Who knows? Its likely 440Source is covering their butts and I can't blame them.

Re: 440 source stroker kit [Re: Stanton] #1251882 06/18/12 12:16 AM 06/18/12 12:16 AM
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dennismopar73 top fuel D Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,177 ill	we have a 543 source 'kits' both use internal pickup , tube has been modified, but will work ! Last edited by dennismopar73; 06/18/12 12:16 AM.

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