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440 head gasket questions #1245655
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Hello mopar people out there. I recently blew both my head gaskets on my 440 due to my personal stupidity. anyways I have a new set of ROL gaskets part number HG31130 and I'm curious to know if these are good gaskets. My motor is 30 over don't know if that comes into effect.
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Re: 440 head gasket questions [Re: jordan91] #1245656
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I've never heard anything bad about ROL head gaskets. They may be a hair thicker than some other comparable gaskets, IIRC .045 vs .039 for the run of the mill blue felpros. Why did your last set of gaskets let go?

Re: 440 head gasket questions [Re: DaytonaTurbo] #1245657
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Well long story short, had to pull a head off because I stripped a bolt. took them to a machine shop when the guy said they were warped. so I pulled the other head off to get the both decked. then I re-installed the heads with what I think flimsy head gaskets thin steel whatever gaskets. Anyways I followed correct tork specs but (stupid me) forgot to use assembly lube. so I broke it in and it was fine. About ten startups later I noticed "milky oil" there for head gasket! Took the heads off again that's what the problem defiantly was

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Re: 440 head gasket questions [Re: jordan91] #1245658
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Well FWIW the think steel shim gaskets are what these engines came with stock and they work very well if installed correctly. Usually they are my gasket of choice because they are very thin like .020 which helps a tiny bit if you have a piston that's down in the hole.

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Alright. this time I'm also not going to be using the stock head bolts. gonna order ARP head studs if that will help.

Re: 440 head gasket questions [Re: jordan91] #1245660
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Alright. this time I'm also not going to be using the stock head bolts. gonna order ARP head studs if that will help.




You don't want or need ARP studs unless this is a high compression race build .

when using the steel shim gasket it's good practice to coat them with copper coat spray , though the factory put them on dry. You have something else going on that caused the oil to mix with the water I think. Going to the ROL gasket is going to lower your compression a little .

Re: 440 head gasket questions [Re: jordan91] #1245661
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You milled the heads, but not the block. Maybe the top of the block is not flat. Less tolerance for things not being flat with the thinner head gaskets.

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The block was already milled. it was a fresh rebuild. Plus I never started and ran the motor until the heads were decked. the the reason I'm considering head studs is the guy who built the motor said it is around 10.5-1 comp. and that was before the heads got shaved. so I don't know were I'm at now. and I may be getting a set of closed chamberd heads so I don't see what the head studs will hurt

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ROL gaskets are high quality, no problem with them.

The flimsy steel gaskets were stock on Mopars for years, including all of the "musclecar years".

Mopar bigblocks do not have head gasket sealing problems even at 12:1 or higher.

Head studs make it $%^& difficult to remove the heads with the engine in the car, especially if one has power brakes.

If you do go with studs, be sure to read the tech info on how to install them.

A good set of head bolts, like ARP, is totally sufficient for a 10.5:1 440. Again, follow the directions on tightening the bolts.

I question your assertion that the block deck was machined because it was a fresh rebuild. If you asked for it or paid for it, that's one thing. But, it is incorrect to assume that every rebuild includes decking the block. In my experience this was something extra and adds a couple of hundred dollars to the bill.

You'll spend your money as you see fit. I have no problem with that. Personal freedom and responsibility are the backbone of our way of life.

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Ok, than I will probably go with just head bolts. An I am %100 sure the block was decked because I personally dropped it off at the machine shop and picked it up I just did'not do the assembly portion of the motor.
And thanks to everyone helping me out on this much appreciated!!!!

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The block was already milled. it was a fresh rebuild. Plus I never started and ran the motor until the heads were decked. the the reason I'm considering head studs is the guy who built the motor said it is around 10.5-1 comp. and that was before the heads got shaved. so I don't know were I'm at now. and I may be getting a set of closed chamberd heads so I don't see what the head studs will hurt




Chrysler was notorious for OVER stating compression ratio , one thing you need to watch out for when switching to a better grade of hardware , like studs , is part of their advantage is being torqued to a higher spec to increase clamping force. If the block was honed with a torque plate , it should have been , and you then you change hardware that uses a higher torque spec than originally used the bores will be distorted differently .... there goes the round bores you got with the torque plate.







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