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Zinc Additive for oil....Best bang for the buck #1242701
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Which one do I get...I found TORCO over here..but at $32 a bottle...I would rather 3 bottles from the States for a 1/3 of the price. I see Lucas, Comp Cams, ZDDP...and Edelbrock..

Which one has the most ppm in the bottle...Whats your choice of poison?


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Re: Zinc Additive for oil....Best bang for the buck [Re: Pyper70] #1242702
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A four stroke 10W-40 motorcycle oil may be a cost effective alternative for you. Those are still high ZDDP formula oils. For instance, the Mobil 1 4T oil is the same formula as what their NASCAR spec race oil from back in the 1990's. Castrol has a conventional 4T oil that is API rated SG, which means it is an older formulation, which is good. I'm sure there are others.

Re: Zinc Additive for oil....Best bang for the buck [Re: Pyper70] #1242703
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http://www.hughesengines.com/Index/produ...l1=QWRkaXRpdmVz

$7.50 for a single bottle seems pretty reasonable. Looks like all the rest start at $10 and go up from there.


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Might consider Rotella as base oil [Re: herkamer] #1242704
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Consider using Rotella 10/30 as your base engine oil

It has the highest allowed zinc content, plus it does a good job cleaning the engine

Although designed for diesel engines, it can be used in gas engines



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Re: Might consider Rotella as base oil [Re: Trulyvintage] #1242705
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I use Rotella 10-30 with one bottle of STP additive. (340 with a solid flat tappet cam)

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Re: Might consider Rotella as base oil [Re: bigsbigelow] #1242706
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I use Rotella 10-30 with one bottle of STP additive. (340 with a solid flat tappet cam)




The additive is still key here, because they have changed the ZDDP package in the newer diesel oils for low emissions.

On the other hand, why do you want to play chemist with additives when you can buy a properly formulated oil off the shelf?

Re: Might consider Rotella as base oil [Re: Aero426] #1242707
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Re: Might consider Rotella as base oil [Re: Aero426] #1242708
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I use Rotella 10-30 with one bottle of STP additive. (340 with a solid flat tappet cam)




The additive is still key here, because they have changed the ZDDP package in the newer diesel oils for low emissions.

On the other hand, why do you want to play chemist with additives when you can buy a properly formulated oil off the shelf?




The oil on the shelves here is different than the one in the States. ONE quart of Mobil 1 synthetic goes for 14€ here ($17) Like I mentioned the TORCO additive sold in the States is $12...here it was like $35...Shipping oil from the States is going to cost the same amount if I start buying here, and for a car that I drive 1000-1500 miles a year...an additive is the cheaper appr0aoch. Going to finish off my Castrol 20w50 and switch to another brand...dunno what yet...these are just preventative bottles for an oil change later this year...around Winter time.

The z-alt site hasn't been updated since 2009...and thats just scary that a business has an online retail and hasnt been updated in 3 years


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Re: Might consider Rotella as base oil [Re: Pyper70] #1242709
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How much is a bottle of conventional 4-cycle bike oil where you live? You don't have to buy a synthetic. I only used the Mobil 1 as an example.

Regarding Z-alt, the quote I got from an independent dealer last year was about $10 per quart.

Re: Might consider Rotella as base oil [Re: Aero426] #1242710
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How much is a bottle of conventional 4-cycle bike oil where you live? You don't have to buy a synthetic. I only used the Mobil 1 as an example.




I'd have to check on that...never looked at bike oils


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Re: Might consider Rotella as base oil [Re: Pyper70] #1242711
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This is from a FAQ on oils written by a Porsche specialist about the use of motorcycle oils. I've heard him speak and he knows his stuff. This would work for your low mileage and changing the oil at the end/beginning of the season.

Why use a motorcycle oil?
Motorcycle oils have higher levels of phosphorus/zinc for enhanced wear protection and the same high-temperature detergent technology for superior wear protection and engine cleanliness, even at elevated oil temperatures. Specifically motorcycle oils for aircooled engines are designed for very high localized oil temperatures and high overall oil temperatures, and typically have high flash points coupled with higher HTHS viscosities and lower noack% losses. As a whole, it would appear that all most motorcycle oils we tested have excellent anti-wear additive levels and most are not SM or SN rated oils, but rather earlier SG, SH, or SJ rated. In a pinch, it should be fairly easy to find a motorcycle oil with any of these SG, SH, or SJ ratings at your local auto parts store when it may be more difficult to get Brad Penn or Swepco, without having it shipped to you. Please do remember that motorcycle oils typically have levels of Zn and P that will kill catalytic converters, so if you have one, either remove it first or use another oil, like Brad Penn or Swepco. Also, motorcycle oils are not as detergent as the aforementioned Brad Penn or Swepco, so you must change the oil much more often, even though the perception of being able to go longer because the oil costs more is a false one.

Re: Zinc Additive for oil....Best bang for the buck [Re: Pyper70] #1242712
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I use Valvoline VR1 racing oil which has a high zinc content


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Do they have Delo 400 over there? I found the datasheet for the Low Emission 15w40 stuff and it still had plenty of Zinc and Phosphorous.


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It never occurred to me to look at motorcycle oil, but that's a good idea; eventually my stash of GM EOS is gonna run out...
I wonder if the European truck oils are cutting back on their package like the US oils had to?

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Re: Zinc Additive for oil....Best bang for the buck [Re: 1MYTGTX] #1242717
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I use Valvoline VR1 racing oil which has a high zinc content




I recently read a report from another race shop where he sent in several oils on his own to have them tested,both for anti wear additive content and an actual wear test.
VR1 conventional racing oil was better than a lot of so called racing oils that have twice the price tag. Even a bunch of high dollar synthetics.
I have been using Joe Gibbs racing oils for a few years but this test has me wondering.

As far as additives,Comp Cams sells one pretty reasonable.

Keith

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Re: Zinc Additive for oil....Best bang for the buck [Re: RSNOMO] #1242718
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Yep!!! That's what i use and out of them all even Amsoil it's still the best!!

Re: Zinc Additive for oil....Best bang for the buck [Re: MidPenMopar] #1242719
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It seems like a lot of the oils being talked about here are 20-50 , would one want to use these is a fresh motor with normal clearances and not the looser race engine clearances ?

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I use Brad Penn 10W-30W now. Years ago i always used the 20W-50W but after some research and trying different viscosities the 10-30 works best for the engine in the roadrunner.

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