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Re: Thumbs in or thumbs out?
[Re: Kern Dog]
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05/29/12 09:07 AM
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I was trained to keep thumbs "outside the wheel", palms up, hands at the bottom of the wheel, working together as you push and pull the wheel from one hand to the other. when negotiating a turn, your right hand stays between 3 and 6 o'clock, left hand stays between 6 and 9, always moving but alternating which one is gripping the wheel, while both are always right there on the wheel.
Why was I taught this way? because it keeps BOTH hands on the wheel at all times, and if you are involved in a collision, you still have your opposeable thumbs to...do whatever you need to. in the case of my training, it was operate your weapons. (high threat driver training for operating up-armored SUVs outside the wire in Afghanistan) or in a more realistic situation here at home, to render first aid to yourself and others after the crash.
if you wrap your thumbs around the wheel, it can be jerked violently during a crash and dislocate your thumbs, or a violent forward head-on collision could do the same thing as your hands are pushed forward towards the dash.
palms up, thumbs outside the wheel, your hand just pulls away from the wheel.
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Re: Thumbs in or thumbs out?
[Re: 70Cuda383]
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05/29/12 03:15 PM
05/29/12 03:15 PM
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thumbs laying alongside the rim of the wheel, not inside, not outside.
Of those 2 selection - outside is preferred so they don't get caught by the spokes and broken.
Tom
"Everyone should believe in something; I believe I'll go fishing."
-Henry David Thoreau
Men and fish are alike. They both get into trouble when they open their mouths
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Re: Thumbs in or thumbs out?
[Re: Dan@Hotchkis]
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06/02/12 11:37 PM
06/02/12 11:37 PM
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Every driving school i have been to it has been expressly taught that thumbs go no where near the inside of the wheel, for wxactly the before mentioned examples. Proper driving position should be elbows at 90* or less, hands at 9 and 3. Wheel is passed hand to hand, driving with the hands, not the shoulders.
Dan, while I completely agree with you,...I find it "funny" how this driver, driving a 64 Cheetah, known for being a handful of a car, drives the entire course, lap after lap with his thumbs locked around the rim of the wheel.....the driver is Mr Bob Bondurant... 
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Re: Thumbs in or thumbs out?
[Re: DAYCLONA]
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06/03/12 12:23 AM
06/03/12 12:23 AM
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Yeah but what does he know? 
56 Plaza 63 D100 step side 67 Coronet, 68 Roadrunner, 69 Super Bees, 69 Coronet 500 convertible, 70 Roadrunner Post, 79 D150 360, and a severe case of Mopar a,d,d
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Re: Thumbs in or thumbs out?
[Re: DAYCLONA]
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06/03/12 12:50 AM
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Its a TRAP!
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Every driving school i have been to it has been expressly taught that thumbs go no where near the inside of the wheel, for wxactly the before mentioned examples. Proper driving position should be elbows at 90* or less, hands at 9 and 3. Wheel is passed hand to hand, driving with the hands, not the shoulders.
Dan, while I completely agree with you,...I find it "funny" how this driver, driving a 64 Cheetah, known for being a handful of a car, drives the entire course, lap after lap with his thumbs locked around the rim of the wheel.....the driver is Mr Bob Bondurant...
Yep. Thats how I drive.. More interesting though, is that over the years, my gas peddle has gotten me out of more potential accidents then my brake peddle.. go figure.
When it takes more than a sweet mullet to prove you rule at the trailer park..
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Re: Thumbs in or thumbs out?
[Re: DARTH V8Я]
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06/03/12 01:15 AM
06/03/12 01:15 AM
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Granite Bay CA
Kern Dog
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Yep. Thats how I drive.. More interesting though, is that over the years, my gas peddle has gotten me out of more potential accidents then my brake peddle.. go figure.
It irks me to see people use the brake pedal as their default accident avoidance regimen. Somehow, I instinctively developed a habit of quickly checking my perimeter for other cars, then steering around obstructions. I try to only brake when I am boxed in with no other choice.
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Re: Thumbs in or thumbs out?
[Re: DARTH V8Я]
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06/03/12 01:50 AM
06/03/12 01:50 AM
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Kern Dog
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Holy wow did I butcher the spelling of the word "Pedal" 
SEE how much better I have become? 
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Re: Thumbs in or thumbs out?
[Re: DAYCLONA]
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06/03/12 08:03 AM
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Dan@Hotchkis
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Every driving school i have been to it has been expressly taught that thumbs go no where near the inside of the wheel, for wxactly the before mentioned examples. Proper driving position should be elbows at 90* or less, hands at 9 and 3. Wheel is passed hand to hand, driving with the hands, not the shoulders.
Dan, while I completely agree with you,...I find it "funny" how this driver, driving a 64 Cheetah, known for being a handful of a car, drives the entire course, lap after lap with his thumbs locked around the rim of the wheel.....the driver is Mr Bob Bondurant...
LOL.
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Re: Thumbs in or thumbs out?
[Re: DAYCLONA]
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06/03/12 11:02 AM
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Dan, while I completely agree with you,...I find it "funny" how this driver, driving a 64 Cheetah, known for being a handful of a car, drives the entire course, lap after lap with his thumbs locked around the rim of the wheel.....the driver is Mr Bob Bondurant...
However, if you watched the video, you'll also notice that he is on the track alone so the chance of incidental contact creating a situation that could damage his thumbs is pretty low. As I pointed out in my initial post, the need to drive with thumbs out may be dictated by the situation "at hand" if you will.
This is enough of a cencern that there are spokeless steering wheels out there. Coincidently, these are found primarily at oval track suppliers, not sports car parts houses, drag race supliers, or rood racer purveyers.
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Re: Thumbs in or thumbs out?
[Re: TC@HP2]
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06/03/12 03:56 PM
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Dan, while I completely agree with you,...I find it "funny" how this driver, driving a 64 Cheetah, known for being a handful of a car, drives the entire course, lap after lap with his thumbs locked around the rim of the wheel.....the driver is Mr Bob Bondurant...
However, if you watched the video, you'll also notice that he is on the track alone so the chance of incidental contact creating a situation that could damage his thumbs is pretty low. As I pointed out in my initial post, the need to drive with thumbs out may be dictated by the situation "at hand" if you will.
This is enough of a cencern that there are spokeless steering wheels out there. Coincidently, these are found primarily at oval track suppliers, not sports car parts houses, drag race supliers, or rood racer purveyers.
Should be second nature to someone like Bondurant, regardless of the track conditions,....it's like someone saying they don't need a helmet to ride their motorcycle down to the corner store on early Sunday morning,...what could happen 
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Re: Thumbs in or thumbs out?
[Re: jcc]
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06/03/12 05:27 PM
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If there's an impact to the front end or front wheels, the steering wheel spokes are pretty good at breaking anything you stick in their way. Also, if you're gonna hit hard and there's no saving it, you don't want to brace against the wheel; it's hard on the wrists.
Shuffling the wheel is a preferred method by a lot of racers, others like hand-over-hand; for me, it depends on what I'm doing. On a road course, I tend to be 9:00-10:00/2:00-3:00, and rarely if ever a "death-grip"; I've heard it referred to as "soft hands". Much of the time I let the car straighten itself and let the wheel kind of pass through my hands, unless there's a tight sequence of corners/inputs.
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Re: Thumbs in or thumbs out?
[Re: Kern Dog]
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06/08/12 06:32 AM
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Granite Bay CA
Kern Dog
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I havent thrashed around off road in a while, but I'll have to remember to keep my thumbs in. On the street, I dont drive crazy enough to get that serious. I did drive THIS car around on the street 14 years ago wearing a helmet!
The looks on peoples faces were priceless!
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