Re: 11 to 1 pump gas ???
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Can you get away with it? Maybe. Depends on the engine, combustion chamber, head material, quench design, camshaft overlap, and to a lesser extent car weight, gearing, and operating-RPM range. Also depends on whether the throttle response - or lack of it - matters, or likewise gas mileage. With aluminum heads, about 10.5:1, and a fairly large-overlap cam, it would be easier to run pump premium with as much as 36 degrees, but that's "ballpark" and still depends on those factors. If you have vacuum advance, under part-throttle conditions it will have more advance than the mechanical provides.
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Re: 11 to 1 pump gas ???
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Lots of guys on this board have 11:1 compression and run on pump gas. The cam has to be carefully chosen to avoid detonation. Do you have aluminum heads or iron heads?
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Re: 11 to 1 pump gas ???
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11.3:1 here, Aluminum heads, .044 piston to head, big camshaft.
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Re: 11 to 1 pump gas ???
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My 499 was 11 to 1 with a mp 590 cam and ran on 93 octane with no problem.
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Re: 11 to 1 pump gas ???
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There is no way to say without your planned combo.
The more ethanol in your fuel the better your chances, it acts like a higher octane fuel even with the same octane rateing. It has a strong cooling effect that is not taken into account in the octane rateings. If it is in your area e-85 can handle a TON of compression, a lot more than its 105 octane would suggest, and local cruise patrons will be amazed at the smell of your car.
A compression test is only a small part of the equation, my dads geo metro would crank 210 PSI when new but ran noticably better on junk gas than premium gas. You need to do a compression test and figure out how tight your quench is, if you have old open chamber heads with no quench you are not gonna do it without a biiiiig cam. Also the old open chamber heads lose a lot of power backing the timing down that low, especially a BB.
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Re: 11 to 1 pump gas ???
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05/24/12 01:41 PM
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can you run a ll to 1 on 93 octane if the time is set around 28 to 30*?
No you can't. well you can but no good will come of it. Its funny these guys on here with 11 to 1 motors that are 12. sec cars. My J headed 360 ran 10.90s with 9.4 to 1 in my Dart. My current motor is 11.to 1 I mix the gas 50/50 112/91 with eddy heads. And it don't mater what cam you put in it ,cranking cylinder pressure does not dictate octane requirements. My father inlaws Comp Eliminator A dragster makes 1355 HP at 9600 rpm and it has 15 to 1 compression but the cranking compression is 150#s,So does that mean he can run pump gas? NO His dragster held the NHRA Comp Eliminator A/D and B/D national record 6.6s and 6.8s 206 mph( cant remember the exact ETs) in 2005 2006.The Comp Dragster is for sale if interested it is a turn key operation,just back your tow rig to the trailer hook up and go to the racing.It can still run 60 under the index.
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