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Re: Holy Crap! Check this out! [Re: Jjs72D] #1219671
04/25/12 05:21 PM
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Heres a thought, Why wouldnt a steering quickener work out of say a dirt late model? They are somple and all they do is change the speed the shaft turns versus what your steering wheel is moving. I might see if a budy has one laying around, and see if it will fit.

Re: Holy Crap! Check this out! [Re: Jjs72D] #1219672
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Hey all. Jeff from Borgeson here. I'm not on this forum to directly sell this product as we are well distributed and have enough dealers to do that for us.

I would just like the opportunity to introduce myself and to help answer any questions or concerns on this rapidly developing new product.

The picture above and in the recent press releases and even on our own web site is of a non-functioning pre-production piece. We had to rush this one out to get it entered in new products at a recent trade show. We will have much more information such as dimensional drawings and additional photo's once the production boxes are finished.

The quick details are 14:1 ratio, smaller & lighter with a tight modern feel.

The new box will be welded just as we have done for all the other conversions we offer. This box will also have the crucial third mounting position as required.

Please post up any other technical questions an I will be happy to answer them.

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Thanks for the info. Is this a manual steering only box? Also what is the weight of this box? Thanks again

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Re: Holy Crap! Check this out! [Re: Borgeson] #1219674
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Quote:

Hey all. Jeff from Borgeson here. I'm not on this forum to directly sell this product as we are well distributed and have enough dealers to do that for us.

I would just like the opportunity to introduce myself and to help answer any questions or concerns on this rapidly developing new product.

The picture above and in the recent press releases and even on our own web site is of a non-functioning pre-production piece. We had to rush this one out to get it entered in new products at a recent trade show. We will have much more information such as dimensional drawings and additional photo's once the production boxes are finished.

The quick details are 14:1 ratio, smaller & lighter with a tight modern feel.

The new box will be welded just as we have done for all the other conversions we offer. This box will also have the crucial third mounting position as required.

Please post up any other technical questions an I will be happy to answer them.




Thanks Jeff, Nice to have someone with frist hand knowledge of something for once!

Re: Holy Crap! Check this out! [Re: 70VcodeCoronetRT] #1219675
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Thanks for the info. Is this a manual steering only box? Also what is the weight of this box? Thanks again




This is a power steering box. The box internally is a 14:1 ratio, this should equate to about 2.75-3 turns lock-to-lock on the car. This will be measured off a production box. The box weighs 25lbs.

Re: Holy Crap! Check this out! [Re: autoxcuda] #1219676
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How much did the Falcon box cost you?

What do they retail for?




I got it through Summit when Summit was having a rare 15% off internet deal... Normally $520ish I paid $450 delivered... They offer a kit for the Mustang with the Steering shaft, hoses, a pump & brackets but since I'm doing a Falcon & the firewall/column is different I'm fabbing what I need... And since I'm doing a 5.0 HO w/EFI I'll be keeping the serpentine drive & the CII pump so I'll make my own hoses & do what I need to do to make it work...


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Re: Holy Crap! Check this out! [Re: Borgeson] #1219677
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The one thing I dont like seeing on anything that has to do with steering are welds. I'm sure you guys tested it, but I dunno.. it shouldn't be there.


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Re: Holy Crap! Check this out! [Re: DARTH V8Я] #1219678
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Yeah, you can't trust welds.....


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Re: Holy Crap! Check this out! [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #1219679
04/25/12 09:39 PM
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Did it hit something? All I'm saying is on certain things I don't trust welds, otherwise I like em


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Re: Holy Crap! Check this out! [Re: DARTH V8Я] #1219680
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Did it hit something? All I'm saying is on certain things I don't trust welds, otherwise I like em




Yeah, it hit an undersea mountain at a depth of 550 feet cruising at 30+ knots..... See the buckled steel behind the guy standing on the catwalk? That's buckled over two feet & there are welds all around it... If any had failed we wouldn't be looking at pictures of it.... If the welder knows what he's doing the weld is as strong if not stronger than the surrounding area... I've looked at the welds on my Borgeson box, they don't look anything like the welds Chrysler used to put these cars together... Closer to what I used to see when I was stationed on the floating drydock shown above...


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Re: Holy Crap! Check this out! [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #1219681
04/25/12 10:25 PM
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Well I trust your judgment 100%, if you say the weld is good, its good!


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Re: Holy Crap! Check this out! [Re: DARTH V8Я] #1219682
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Our entire freakin cars are welded together mang......


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Re: Holy Crap! Check this out! [Re: DARTH V8Я] #1219683
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Well I trust your judgment 100%, if you say the weld is good, its good!




I'd say Borgeson is betting their reputation on the fact the weld is good... They've done this a long time, no rookies...


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Re: Holy Crap! Check this out! [Re: 72Swinger] #1219684
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I'm impressed that Mr Borgeson logged on to help.
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Re: Holy Crap! Check this out! [Re: Jjs72D] #1219685
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Re: Holy Crap! Check this out! [Re: Borgeson] #1219686
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Quote:

Hey all. Jeff from Borgeson here. I'm not on this forum to directly sell this product as we are well distributed and have enough dealers to do that for us.

I would just like the opportunity to introduce myself and to help answer any questions or concerns on this rapidly developing new product.

The picture above and in the recent press releases and even on our own web site is of a non-functioning pre-production piece. We had to rush this one out to get it entered in new products at a recent trade show. We will have much more information such as dimensional drawings and additional photo's once the production boxes are finished.

The quick details are 14:1 ratio, smaller & lighter with a tight modern feel.

The new box will be welded just as we have done for all the other conversions we offer. This box will also have the crucial third mounting position as required.

Please post up any other technical questions an I will be happy to answer them.





Jeff,

Thanks for repsonding to this market.

Will a 12:1 box be an option or in the future?

Does the projected price come with the hardware (customer to install) to connect our steering columns to it?

Will it run with the Saginaw or Federal power steering pumps that come stock in our cars in terms of pressure and volume.

Are these units rebuilt or new?

Is the pitman shaft 100% new with new gear? Or resplined original/used unit? Or otherwise?

Thanks,

Steve Wall

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Re: Holy Crap! Check this out! [Re: autoxcuda] #1219687
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Jeff,

Thanks for repsonding to this market.

Will a 12:1 box be an option or in the future?

Does the projected price come with the hardware (customer to install) to connect our steering columns to it?

Will it run with the Saginaw or Federal power steering pumps that come stock in our cars in terms of pressure and volume.

Are these units rebuilt or new?

Is the pitman shaft 100% new with new gear? Or resplined original/used unit? Or otherwise?

Thanks,

Steve Wall



Steve,

Components exist to theoretically create a 12.7:1 box. This may be a possibility in the future pending core component availability.

The steering box comes with hose fitting adapters to be used with OEM Mopar P/S hoses. The column joint is not included in the price but available separately for much less than other Mopar column adapters on the market.

Our power steering box will be compatible with either the Saginaw or federal power steering pumps. For in-house testing and development we always use Saginaw P/S pumps. The Saginaw pumps are easily adjusted for pressure and flow to fine tune the characteristics of the power steering.

I prefer the term "re-manufactured" This steering box is actually constructed with three different production Delphi 600 series power steering boxes. The boxes are completely reworked / re-machined and reassembled with new bearings & seals. It is important to note that the Delphi 600 series boxes that we disassemble as cores show almost no signs of wear on any internal components.

The sector shaft we use is from one of the three Delphi 600 cores. It is shortened, re-splined to either 1.125" or 1.25"and re-threaded.

As with all of our power steering boxes this one will have our 3 year warranty. As to the welding comments there are only two people we trust to weld our steering boxes, they are artists. That coupled with filler material specific to our application has allowed us to produce over 10,000 welded power steering conversion boxes with no issues.

Thanks, Jeff

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Are there any dimensional drawings available to compare your steeringbox to the stock powersteering box?

Reason for asking is that besides myseld, a number of folks are looking into installing a modernday Hemi into their Mopar A-body, while retaining powersteering.
Currently, at the driversside, the Hemi's exhaust will interfere heavily with a stock powersteering box.
It would be nice to see if your box provides more space so it won't be necessary to install a rack&pinion system for instance.

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Are there any dimensional drawings available to compare your steeringbox to the stock powersteering box?

Reason for asking is that besides myseld, a number of folks are looking into installing a modernday Hemi into their Mopar A-body, while retaining powersteering.
Currently, at the driversside, the Hemi's exhaust will interfere heavily with a stock powersteering box.
It would be nice to see if your box provides more space so it won't be necessary to install a rack&pinion system for instance.




As soon as the paint dries on the first production run I will capture multiple images at different angles and create a dimensional "drawing" like we do for our other conversions. You can see one here (full sized Ford) www.borgeson.com/imageCD/800115DIM

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Sounds and looks good.
Thanks.

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