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AAR Cuda production built??? #1211647 04/07/12 02:04 PM 04/07/12 02:04 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,317 Land 'O Lakes RoadRunnerLuva OP master
RoadRunnerLuva OP master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,317 Land 'O Lakes	Don't know if this has been answered before here, but anyway.... Anyone here know how many AAR's in 1970 were produced with factory bench/buddy seat and column shift?? Thanks for your help! Plymouth Makes It!

Re: AAR Cuda production built??? [Re: RoadRunnerLuva] #1211648 04/07/12 02:59 PM 04/07/12 02:59 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,516 Las Vegas, NV 6bblgt I Live Here
6bblgt I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,516 Las Vegas, NV	GG's "'Cuda Option & Accessory book" shows: BS23 16,710 built to US spec. ~2,724 (of 16,710) w/A53 (TRANS AM) 16.3% ~1,203 (of 16,710) w/bench seat 7.2% ~10,243 (of 16,710) w/C16 (console) 61.3% ~1,604 (of 16,710) w/A53 & D32 (auto trans) 9.6% ~1,120 (of 16,710) w/A53 & D21 (4spd trans) 6.7% I do not believe the number exists for 'Cuda AAR w/bench seat.

Re: AAR Cuda production built??? [Re: 6bblgt] #1211649 04/07/12 03:18 PM 04/07/12 03:18 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,317 Land 'O Lakes RoadRunnerLuva OP master
RoadRunnerLuva OP master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,317 Land 'O Lakes	Thanks Dan! Still though, it's a rare combo! I know someone who has one for sale. And I was curious about the # produced like this. Plymouth Makes It!

Re: AAR Cuda production built??? [Re: RoadRunnerLuva] #1211650 04/07/12 03:36 PM 04/07/12 03:36 PM
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autoxcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,467 So Cal	Seems like a higher percentage of AAR's with colunm auto than 'Cudas. That number does not break down AAR with bench seat. The AAR's were not really ordered by customers to dealers didn't want to have an expensive car sitting on thier lots they didn't know if they could sell. Remember these were the same Plymouth dealers that got stuck with Superbirds not much before this. Even though column auto seems rare in total 'Cuda numbers, it is very undesirable. I know of many AAR's that were converted from bench column auto's to console autos. So what you "see" today isn't always they way they came from the factory.

Re: AAR Cuda production built??? [Re: autoxcuda] #1211651 04/07/12 04:28 PM 04/07/12 04:28 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 29,652 Hamtramck, PA A Alaskan_TA Fluffy Balladeer
Alaskan_TA Fluffy Balladeer A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 29,652 Hamtramck, PA	I can do color reports that include the transmission & shifter type for AARs known to me. See http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/services-1.shtm for more info.

Re: AAR Cuda production built??? [Re: autoxcuda] #1211652 04/07/12 11:51 PM 04/07/12 11:51 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,516 Las Vegas, NV 6bblgt I Live Here
6bblgt I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,516 Las Vegas, NV	Quote: The AAR's were not really ordered by customers to dealers didn't want to have an expensive car sitting on thier lots they didn't know if they could sell. ..... but the bench seat was still an OPTION, with a $16.50 price tag. Bucket seats with a column auto was "cheaper". The console was a $53.35 OPTION. The only reason bench seat (non-AAR) 'Cudas are not seen today, is because the more mundane 4bbl (340, 383, 440) automatics w/bench seat interior were shuned & parted years ago as undesirables. Multiple carb cars have a higher survival rate because of multiple carbs.

Re: AAR Cuda production built??? [Re: 6bblgt] #1211653 04/07/12 11:56 PM 04/07/12 11:56 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 29,652 Hamtramck, PA A Alaskan_TA Fluffy Balladeer
Alaskan_TA Fluffy Balladeer A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 29,652 Hamtramck, PA	.....and contrary to popular belief, some AARs were actually ordered.

Re: AAR Cuda production built??? [Re: Alaskan_TA] #1211654 04/08/12 01:29 AM 04/08/12 01:29 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,516 Las Vegas, NV 6bblgt I Live Here
6bblgt I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,516 Las Vegas, NV	1 out of every 6 automatic 1970 US spec. 'Cuda hardtops were bench seat & column shift. NOT RARE!! The numbers I used above are approximate (namely the ~1203 bench seat 'Cudas), figured another way - I end up with ~1336 bench seat 'Cudas. Using the ~1203 number - & this is a big "IF" - just to give some perspective I KNOW THE NUMBERS DO NOT SUPPORT THIS!!: ~7771 total 1970 automatic US spec. 'Cuda hardtops (BS23) lots of approximate numbers so I'll use +/-50 to cover the ERROR 340-4bbl auto 1788 $216.20 1778/7771 (22.88% x 1203) ~275+/-50 = 225-325 340-6bbl auto 1604 $$??.?? 1604/7771 (20.64% x 1203) ~248+/-50 = 198-298 column shift bench seat AARs 383-4bbl auto 2540 $227.05 2540/7771 (32.69% x 1203) ~393+/-50 = 343-443 440-4bbl auto 618 $227.05 618/7771 (7.95% x 1203) ~96+/-50 = 46-146 440-6bbl auto 853 $227.05 853/7771 (10.98% x 1203) ~132+/-50 = 82-182 Hemi2x4 auto 368 $227.05 368/7771 (4.74% x 1203) ~57+/-50 = 7-107 Barry, What did an automatic cost in an AAR? What did it cost in a T/A?

Re: AAR Cuda production built??? [Re: 6bblgt] #1211655 04/08/12 01:35 AM 04/08/12 01:35 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 29,652 Hamtramck, PA A Alaskan_TA Fluffy Balladeer
Alaskan_TA Fluffy Balladeer A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 29,652 Hamtramck, PA	I have never paid attention to prices, but I may have that listed somewhere. For AARs that actually were ordered, I know of 76 so far.

Re: AAR Cuda production built??? [Re: Alaskan_TA] #1211656 04/08/12 01:36 AM 04/08/12 01:36 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,516 Las Vegas, NV 6bblgt I Live Here
6bblgt I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,516 Las Vegas, NV	I figured you 'd have a window sticker or two handy?

Re: AAR Cuda production built??? [Re: 6bblgt] #1211657 04/08/12 01:39 AM 04/08/12 01:39 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,467 So Cal autoxcuda Too Many Posts
autoxcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,467 So Cal	Quote: Quote: The AAR's were not really ordered by customers to dealers didn't want to have an expensive car sitting on thier lots they didn't know if they could sell. ..... but the bench seat was still an OPTION, with a $16.50 price tag. Bucket seats with a column auto was "cheaper". The console was a $53.35 OPTION. The only reason bench seat (non-AAR) 'Cudas are not seen today, is because the more mundane 4bbl (340, 383, 440) automatics w/bench seat interior were shuned & parted years ago as undesirables. Multiple carb cars have a higher survival rate because of multiple carbs. Very good points. I agree, most of what we see today is not a good indication of what was built and sold. I didn't remember a bench seat was an extra cost option. But even as multiple carb 440-6 and Hemi 'Cudas go, in your opinion does it seem to you a lot of AAR's are bench seat? I realize you could order an AAR/TA, but most were not.

Re: AAR Cuda production built??? [Re: Alaskan_TA] #1211658 04/08/12 01:41 AM 04/08/12 01:41 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 29,652 Hamtramck, PA A Alaskan_TA Fluffy Balladeer
Alaskan_TA Fluffy Balladeer A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 29,652 Hamtramck, PA	T/A transmission prices at http://www.challengertaregistry.com/photos/bulletins/bulletin_fj_dd_supp_2_pg2.jpg

Re: AAR Cuda production built??? [Re: Alaskan_TA] #1211659 04/08/12 01:48 AM 04/08/12 01:48 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 29,652 Hamtramck, PA A Alaskan_TA Fluffy Balladeer
Alaskan_TA Fluffy Balladeer A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 29,652 Hamtramck, PA	For most things, I would need a VIN to look up what I have. Window stickers have been available in non-original form since the late 1970s, so I do not put much stock in them. Some of them are quite good, but not original. Column shift / bench seat AARs are more common than column shift / bench seat T/As as far as the cars I am aware of go. I love them myself. I have not seen any at dealerships 'not sold' so every one of them must have been 'desirable' to someone at some point. I love the combination myself.

Re: AAR Cuda production built??? [Re: Alaskan_TA] #1211660 04/08/12 09:00 AM 04/08/12 09:00 AM
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70BigBlockSE enthusiast 7 Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 299 Jacksonville Fl	In either 78 or 79 I saw a white benchseat column auto AAR in Sheldon Iowa. I has just got my 70 Challenger and thought it a very odd combo. The guy also had a 71 Hemi Runner sitting in the apartment parking lot.

Re: AAR Cuda production built??? [Re: Alaskan_TA] #1211661 04/09/12 01:19 PM 04/09/12 01:19 PM
Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 9,550 Sacramento CA M Morty426 master
Morty426 master M Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 9,550 Sacramento CA	Quote: I have never paid attention to prices, but I may have that listed somewhere. For AARs that actually were ordered, I know of 76 so far. Cool! Learned something new today

Re: AAR Cuda production built??? [Re: Morty426] #1211662 04/10/12 05:07 PM 04/10/12 05:07 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,947 Edmonton , Alberta , Canada stwheels top fuel
stwheels top fuel Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,947 Edmonton , Alberta , Canada	I like them too Barry. Here is my old 70 383 R/T conv. with column shift, (couldn't get a bench in a rag top even though the original owner ordered it that way) cruise control, am/fm, pw, pt ... FC7 but Black and White when I owned it. Doug Lepak The Steering Wheel Guy web site: www.stwheelz.com 7159411-js27top.jpg (317 downloads) Doug Lepak

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