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Underhood Supercharger options 526 Hemi in charger #1211103
04/06/12 07:22 PM
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Hi guys,
Well despite the recent temporary brain-f--t I'm pressing on with the Charger.

Getting on with the engine, While the F2 procharger looks like the most likely option I just wanted to explore more fully other options if they exist for supercharging before getting cracking on it.

Has anyone here put a Whipple or Magnuson supercharger onto a Gen 2 hemi and if so would it fit underhood on a standard hood 68/69 charger? (no carbs front/rear intake & EFI).?
We have the ability to custom make/modify the intake.
If its possible to go under hood with the twin screw it'd be a cleaner install, possibly better throttle response at lower speeds, quieter etc.

Does anyone know if a magnuson or whipple can feed 526 cu in, 7,000 rpm @ ~20 lbs boost ~8:1 comp cam=270'ish @.50 ?

I cant find much info on them as they seem to be only in kits.

Key factors being : is there a compact twin screw big enough to feed the engine? Will it fit under the hood without mods to the hood?

Would appreciate feedback from anyone's experiences.
Cheers , Darren


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Re: Underhood Supercharger options 526 Hemi in charger [Re: Keith Black®] #1211104
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Let me answer you in the order that you asked.
NO
NO
NO
NO
AND
NO




The only chance you have of fitting under the hood is a procharger.Check out BIGTIME's website.He is "Mr Procharger"http://www.bigtimeauto.com/
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Re: Underhood Supercharger options 526 Hemi in charger [Re: Keith Black®] #1211105
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I don't believe even the smaller 2.2L screw blower will fit under the hood, and its not enough to feed a 526..With that large of an engine you will want at least a 3.1L or a pair of 2.2L screws or the big 305...

I managed to fit a tunnel ram with efi and a bug catcher under my hood with the Hemi, but it was tight and I lowered the engine as low as it woulg go...I even ground the lowest part of the oil pump where the filter theads on as it hit the magnum force k-member, by just a smidge. A standard 8qrt pan with my car would be dragging on the ground.

A procharger is the only under hood option I know of for a Gen2 hemi...


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
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Re: Underhood Supercharger options 526 Hemi in charger [Re: Dragula] #1211106
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Might this be what you are looking for? I don't have all the details yet but stay tuned.Todd

Re: Underhood Supercharger options 526 Hemi in charger [Re: sasquatch] #1211107
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Awe, come on. You just can't tease us and leave us drooling for more without any info....Tim

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Might this be what you are looking for? I don't have all the details yet but stay tuned.Todd



Re: Underhood Supercharger options 526 Hemi in charger [Re: sasquatch] #1211108
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Now thats what we need a blower and intake made as one piece !!!


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Re: Underhood Supercharger options 526 Hemi in charger [Re: hemi-itis] #1211109
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Let me answer you in the order that you asked.
NO
NO
NO
NO
AND
NO





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I don't believe even the smaller 2.2L screw blower will fit under the hood, and its not enough to feed a 526..With that large of an engine you will want at least a 3.1L or a pair of 2.2L screws or the big 305...





I will stick with my plan for the F2, just wanted to explore the options. That compact unit shown looks like it has potential but I don't really want to be an "early adopter". The magnuson had a pretty trick looking intercooler built in to the manifold , & the dimensions looked close ... shame it wouldn't have capacity.


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Re: Underhood Supercharger options 526 Hemi in charger [Re: sasquatch] #1211110
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Might this be what you are looking for? I don't have all the details yet but stay tuned.Todd




I that the Aussie built blower? I tried to get my hands on one, but the gave up on making it due to detonation problems on gasoline (too much heat). I wanted to try it on alcohol

Re: Underhood Supercharger options 526 Hemi in charger [Re: Defbob] #1211111
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my Chargers 572 Hemi Kenne Bell 4.2L fits under the hood...

Re: Underhood Supercharger options 526 Hemi in charger [Re: studio57] #1211112
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kenne bell 4.2 would be the answer if you make a very low intakemanifold it will feed a 526 without much trouble. twinscrews are fairly quiet aswell aslong as they are not making boost as soon as they start pushing boost they are hard to miss.

Re: Underhood Supercharger options 526 Hemi in charger [Re: studio57] #1211113
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my Chargers 572 Hemi Kenne Bell 4.2L fits under the hood...




That looks to be a factory quality installation. Nice job!!!!


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Re: Underhood Supercharger options 526 Hemi in charger [Re: Keith Black®] #1211114
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sorry even a sixpack barley fits under a stock hood. A procharger might but you'd have to have a crappy intake and bonnet. Get a cowl hood and roll.


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Re: Underhood Supercharger options 526 Hemi in charger [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1211115
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sorry even a sixpack barley fits under a stock hood. A procharger might but you'd have to have a crappy intake and bonnet. Get a cowl hood and roll.




just some raw numbers here i dont know how low a intakemanifold can be made for a hemi but im sure one can be made lower than a sixpackmanifold since those are pretty tall.

a carb is aproximatly 3 1/4" tall
a 4.2L HPS supercharger twincsrew is 6" tall and dont eat anymore height since its made for fuelinjection with a rearinlet. im pretty sure a manifold can be made lower than the stock intakemanifold and with no airfilter or carb above the twinscrew i cant see much of a problem.

the diference betwen a carb above a intakemanifold and a supercharger is only 2 3/4" that must be possible to take back by making a real short intakemanifold and by not having a airfilter ontop.


to the OP better safe than sorry i would install the engine and take a few measurements it might be a tight fit but i bet it can be done,while measuring dont forget that the snout and top pulley will be close to the hood aswell

Re: Underhood Supercharger options 526 Hemi in charger [Re: studio57] #1211116
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my Chargers 572 Hemi Kenne Bell 4.2L fits under the hood...




Hey guys .... It looks like he has actually done it..

What intake manifold did you start with ? Or did you fabricate one from scratch?


Ps: thanks for the photos your car looks terrific!


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Re: Underhood Supercharger options 526 Hemi in charger [Re: Keith Black®] #1211117
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wow....i really like that....details please....how did you run the coil on plug?....that looks so nice please post more pics...how much hp u pushin...one of the coolest set ups bar none that i have seen.


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Re: Underhood Supercharger options 526 Hemi in charger [Re: Keith Black®] #1211118
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sorry the late reply i didnt notice this.
the intake is made from BDS intake and cut to prox half to get it low as possible the tig weld the new top plate for it. i had some issues with the aluminum block last year but they give me a new one on warranty.. in next two months we will go to dyno and see whats going on. it made 600hp/ 1200nm on 2500rpm on chassis dyno before we broke the tci 6x transmission. the tranny has now new billet interiors and we are looking for around 1200hp/1500nm on the engine in low boost.
here are few videos on the last summer
on chassis dyno
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbJ4AC3jyEk

cruising
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPMQhDqKOXA

Start up :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGvUsdJ9mtw

if you have any questions im happy to ansure those

Re: Underhood Supercharger options 526 Hemi in charger [Re: sublimehemi] #1211119
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wow....i really like that....details please....how did you run the coil on plug?....that looks so nice please post more pics...how much hp u pushin...one of the coolest set ups bar none that i have seen.




thanks, on that setup we had Audi pencil coils we later update those to AEM CDI system.. on dyno we will run both setups to see witch does the better job.

Re: Underhood Supercharger options 526 Hemi in charger [Re: studio57] #1211120
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here is the car

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Re: Underhood Supercharger options 526 Hemi in charger [Re: studio57] #1211121
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nice ride...

Re: Underhood Supercharger options 526 Hemi in charger [Re: 572_HEMI_Cuda] #1211122
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nice ride...




thanks, im gonna re do it again next winter just to make it even better.

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