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Best value / most effective balancers? #1208955 04/03/12 07:01 AM 04/03/12 07:01 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,943 Melbourne.....Oz-land Moparmal OP master
Moparmal OP master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,943 Melbourne.....Oz-land	I've often wondered how you pick a good balancer from a bad one....... So what are the best value and best brand balancers for LA small blocks? Is there much difference between a Professional Plroducts and a Fluid Damper?

Re: Best value / most effective balancers? [Re: Moparmal] #1208956 04/03/12 07:26 AM 04/03/12 07:26 AM
Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 553 Kentucky clovis mopar
clovis mopar Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 553 Kentucky	Not sure if they make one for a small block but the Powerbond balancers are a good value. You can actually get them through Amazon. '75 Plymouth Duster Phase I 451 906/590/2-660 10.75/126 Phase II 451 Stage VI/590/1050 9.82/135 Phase III 383 906/Victor-Pump gas 11.30/119 "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,"

Re: Best value / most effective balancers? [Re: Moparmal] #1208957 04/03/12 09:03 AM 04/03/12 09:03 AM
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 855 Brisbane Australia 5 572B1 super stock
572B1 super stock 5 Joined: May 2004 Posts: 855 Brisbane Australia	Quote: I've often wondered how you pick a good balancer from a bad one....... So what are the best value and best brand balancers for LA small blocks? Is there much difference between a Professional Plroducts and a Fluid Damper? Whats wrong with a Romac balancer.

Re: Best value / most effective balancers? [Re: 572B1] #1208958 04/03/12 08:46 PM 04/03/12 08:46 PM
Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 28 ohio D dart70 member
dart70 member D Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 28 ohio	I have a jegs brand on my 416, looks to me like it is made by powerbond. Buddy of mine bought a steve schmidt sbc and it had a powerbond on it, figured it had to be a decent balancer.

Re: Best value / most effective balancers? [Re: 572B1] #1208959 04/03/12 09:12 PM 04/03/12 09:12 PM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,506 Az Crizila master
Crizila master Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,506 Az	I'm going with a "fluid Damper" on my 408 blower motor. Had it cut with a second keyway ( 1/4" )@ 180 degrees from the standard 3/16" keyway. Crank snout of course too. Fluid style dampers are the best in the business IMO - but expensive!!! Fastest 300

Re: Best value / most effective balancers? [Re: Crizila] #1208960 04/03/12 09:14 PM 04/03/12 09:14 PM
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 12,396 Taxes & Virus's R-US, NY Dragula I Live Here
Dragula I Live Here Joined: May 2004 Posts: 12,396 Taxes & Virus's R-US, NY	ATI! Ask the guys at Fluid Damper what harmonic it dampens at 50F and what harmonics its dampening at 90F...All I got was dead silence. Seems to me, we race at different temps, and the damper can't be dampening the same throughout the normal range of temps I am sure...Not to mention, the tech on the phone didn't dispute that. Sorry, but I believe the harmonics to an engine don't change with temperature...why should the damper change. I went with ATI, and it has been awesome. Last edited by Dragula; 04/03/12 09:20 PM. '70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9) '66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage '71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk

Re: Best value / most effective balancers? [Re: Dragula] #1208961 04/03/12 09:27 PM 04/03/12 09:27 PM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,506 Az Crizila master
Crizila master Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,506 Az	Well, most airplane engines run fluid filled dampers. Assume the temp swings are much greater than ours. Have no clue what fluid is used, but it must have a pretty stable viscosity over a wide temp range. Fluid dampers rank pretty high on most blower motor builders lists. Last edited by Crizila; 04/03/12 09:29 PM. Fastest 300

Re: Best value / most effective balancers? [Re: Moparmal] #1208962 04/03/12 10:17 PM 04/03/12 10:17 PM
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5spdcuda top fuel Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,708 S. Il. U.S.A.	If you're just looking for a good dollar value try Pioneer. SFI approved, about $10.00 more than a new stock balancer at least it was when I bought mine. Made in Australia. Tighter fit than stock, but most aftermarket ones are. Only downside I've found is that the chrome [?] plating sucks.

Re: Best value / most effective balancers? [Re: clovis] #1208963 04/03/12 10:52 PM 04/03/12 10:52 PM
Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 914 tn R robnbird super stock
robnbird super stock R Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 914 tn	Quote: Not sure if they make one for a small block but the Powerbond balancers are a good value. You can actually get them through Amazon. thank you Clovas for the quote, we need the word. 7150392-mocar.jpg (64 downloads)

Re: Best value / most effective balancers? [Re: Moparmal] #1208964 04/03/12 10:55 PM 04/03/12 10:55 PM
Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 914 tn R robnbird super stock
robnbird super stock R Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 914 tn	Quote: I've often wondered how you pick a good balancer from a bad one....... So what are the best value and best brand balancers for LA small blocks? Is there much difference between a Professional Plroducts and a Fluid Damper? I use the Romac sfi 17000 the best in my openion for the money 7150395-mocar.jpg (51 downloads)

Re: Best value / most effective balancers? [Re: robnbird] #1208965 04/04/12 04:58 AM 04/04/12 04:58 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,943 Melbourne.....Oz-land Moparmal OP master
Moparmal OP master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,943 Melbourne.....Oz-land	Sounds like Romac, Pioneer, PowerBond, ATI and FluidDampers all do the job..... So there's no real reason to choose one over another?

Re: Best value / most effective balancers? [Re: Moparmal] #1208966 04/04/12 05:18 AM 04/04/12 05:18 AM
Joined: May 2009 Posts: 461 Hinterland SE Qld Aust S SG duster mopar
SG duster mopar S Joined: May 2009 Posts: 461 Hinterland SE Qld Aust	since your in south Aust Id recommend Romac all the way Mal, but also powerbond would suit your engine level if $$$s are a little tight Iv run Romac on a few different mopar engines now with zero problems, having said that Iv also run powerbond on some stout GMH engines also with zero problems

Re: Best value / most effective balancers? [Re: SG duster] #1208967 04/04/12 06:18 AM 04/04/12 06:18 AM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,709 NJ central S Scamp408 master
Scamp408 master S Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,709 NJ central	I was told buy an old ww2 airplane mechanic that the tci rattler was the same tech used on fighter planes.Those were high rpm high comp engines and very smooth.

Re: Best value / most effective balancers? [Re: SG duster] #1208968 04/04/12 06:23 AM 04/04/12 06:23 AM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 998 Clinton Township, Michigan D Dartin super stock
Dartin super stock D Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 998 Clinton Township, Michigan	I've learned from experience that you get what you pay for. I bought a Summit SFI balancer and used it successfully for about 3 years (under 100 passes and 200 street miles). I tried to re-use it on my new 540. While we had it on the dyno, the outer ring was slipping pretty badly. ATI is what I will use now. Randy

Re: Best value / most effective balancers? [Re: Dartin] #1208969 04/04/12 08:30 AM 04/04/12 08:30 AM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio Challenger 1 Too Many Posts
Challenger 1 Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio	Quote: I've learned from experience that you get what you pay for. I bought a Summit SFI balancer and used it successfully for about 3 years (under 100 passes and 200 street miles). I tried to re-use it on my new 540. While we had it on the dyno, the outer ring was slipping pretty badly. ATI is what I will use now. Randy ATI is the best value, imo.

Re: Best value / most effective balancers? [Re: Scamp408] #1208970 04/04/12 07:14 PM 04/04/12 07:14 PM
Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,209 New York polyspheric master
polyspheric master Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,209 New York	WW2 aircraft engines: 1. radial, low RPM (B29, P47) 2. V12 in-line, low RPM (P51 with Rolls engine: 6" stroke) and has inherent primary balance (same as in-line 6) Boffin Emeritus

Re: Best value / most effective balancers? [Re: polyspheric] #1208971 04/04/12 07:17 PM 04/04/12 07:17 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,376 D dogdays I Live Here
dogdays I Live Here D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,376	Yup. Airplane engines are pluggers. R.

Re: Best value / most effective balancers? [Re: dogdays] #1208972 04/04/12 07:28 PM 04/04/12 07:28 PM
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 293 Kansas City Metro M mbogina enthusiast
mbogina enthusiast M Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 293 Kansas City Metro	I am biased to the ATI. We did some testing for ATI when they were under development. We also looked at about 10 different possibilities for proper dampening before finding the ATI style. One of the most effective we tried was a damper shell filled w lead shot- very effective but the ability to dampen diminished as the lead shot became deformed over time. In our testing, the fluid style was the worst we looked at, the floating weight would sometimes end up exactly 180 deg from where it should be, which led to broken cranks from inbalance, not from the lack of dampening. The TCI Rattler style is also a very effective dampener. Be a Rebel- Break the Laws of Physics!

Re: Best value / most effective balancers? [Re: Moparmal] #1208973 04/04/12 10:39 PM 04/04/12 10:39 PM
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xreperf member X Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 5 Mooresville, NC	Fluidampers have no ability to absorb any torsional twist in a high rpm engine.Fluidampers were designed for low speed diesel engines. After many years of torsional testing with high resolution instrementation the ATI is the most tuneable balancer on the market.

Re: Best value / most effective balancers? [Re: Moparmal] #1208974 04/04/12 10:47 PM 04/04/12 10:47 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually B BradH Taking time off to work on my car
BradH Taking time off to work on my car B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually	Not sure if anyone said it this way, but "best value" and "most effective" aren't usually the same thing w/ crank dampers. The ones I've seen that seem to be decent for the $$$ are PowerBond (which I heard are same as the SFI Pioneer) and BHJ (what I have had for years). The next price range up as I recall gets into the Romac and CycoPro (both from Oz, I believe), but they're also closer to ATI's price range. Not sure if I've ever heard a bad thing about ATI (except they're not cheap).

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