Re: 73' Charger quarter window conversion (SE to Hardtop)
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IIRC the quarters are no different so you should not need patch panels unless you have rust. You will find that the window mechanism has been removed and a bracket holds the window stationary. Aside from adding the window mechanism and patching the screw holes you should be good to go. When I get home to my parts manuals I will double check.
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Re: 73' Charger quarter window conversion (SE to Hardtop)
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I'm like you. I like the hardtops myself. If you are not going back to stock then you may want to sell the entire removed SE parts as a kit on E-bay. Some people like it.
The panel for the opera window is plastic and screwed to the body IIRC. Often they rust under the vinyl tops so until you remove the roof & panel you may not know.
I forgot the upper inner panels will need to be changed but they are the same for any 2 door 73/74 Satellite,Charger,Road Runner etc. Maybe even 71/72.
Lower panels are different in 73/74 because of the retractors.
The exterior sheet metal is the same between the hardtop and SE so the quarters and roof are fine. However you will need a lot of parts to do this conversion:
- new sail panels - new upper rear panels (with crank hole) - window and window retractor assembly + crank - rear window seals - exterior quarter moldings (re-pop'd I think but $$$) - exterior door moldings
To do this, you would most likely want a HT parts car to get all this out of as piecemealing it would get kind of costly IMHO. This could easily get into a two-three thousand bucks unless you have a cheap source of donor parts and labor. This is assuming when you pull out the fiberglass SE quarter inserts, you don't find any rust which needs attention...this is VERY common as those louvers hold water on the quarters once those gaskets are gone.
You will also have to deal with what you find when you pull off the vinyl top and grind off all the studs for the vinyl top moldings.
If you want a hardtop that badly, I would consider selling the SE you have and looking for a hardtop you like. My
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Re: 73' Charger quarter window conversion (SE to Hardtop)
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I had in mind doing this conversion on my '74 at some point.Best thing would be as mentioned,find a complete car to pull all necessary parts from.You will need to cut out the pillar between the door window and louvers,weld back in the correct longer rain gutter or remove them completely depending on tastes,other than that most everything else should be bolt in as far as I know,and be prepared for rust under insert. I guess for myself,after pricing all the parts needed I have almost decided that it wasn't the louvers that bothered me so much as all the rest of the SE trim,vinyl top,the exposed headlight grills and bumpers that stuck out a mile.Once I got used to looking at the louvers,I didn't really think they any worse than the cat-eye/Gremlin windows on the 71's or 'helmet head' on the 72's. I do like the hardtop look as well though on 73/74's...good luck on the conversion,and take pictures if you can.
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Re: 73' Charger quarter window conversion (SE to Hardtop)
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I did this conversion my self. Its really pretty simple! Just be prepared for rust under the fiberglass plugs as they hold moisture.
Only 2 things you have to cut.
1. The post they weld in from the roof to the rear of the door frame; which its not a true post, just a support for the fiberglass plug.
2. A slot in the rear door frame for where the rear window rolls down.
Ill post some pics of before and after as I find them.
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Re: 73' Charger quarter window conversion (SE to Hardtop)
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I used the glass and runner out of a 74 satellite for my windows. All the holes are there, they just bolt up.
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Re: 73' Charger quarter window conversion (SE to Hardtop)
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Oh and dont forget the roof drip rails dont extend all the way back either; I got around this by shaving mine, and LOVE how it looks. In this pic the bare metal is where I replaced a rusted sections.
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Re: 73' Charger quarter window conversion (SE to Hardtop)
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Here is the post you have to cut out once you remove the fiberglass plug.
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Re: 73' Charger quarter window conversion (SE to Hardtop)
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The screws holding the fiberglass plug in are usually rusted. I ended up drilling mine out. Be forewarned, I chipped the glass while drilling, but I didnt care, either so it was a none issue for me.
here is a pic of the shaved look.
during, you can see uncut in previous photo
just be prepared for hidden rust under the drip rail, I was shocked! and my car is very rust free.
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Re: 73' Charger quarter window conversion (SE to Hardtop)
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shaved after, pictures dont do it justice (nor does my primer) but it looks sleek smooth and fast without drip rails.
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Re: 73' Charger quarter window conversion (SE to Hardtop)
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here's the slot you have to cut for the window.
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Re: 73' Charger quarter window conversion (SE to Hardtop)
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This could easily get into a two-three thousand bucks unless you have a cheap source of donor parts and labor.
I totally disagree!
I did mine, so the labor was free, but if you have a donor car the cost is $0. If you dont have a donor car the pieces you need can be found fairly cheap, used.
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