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How far do I go with this restore? #120442
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Got a question, I bought a 74 barracuda 318 auto on the floor, complete numbers matching never been touched. I just wanted to do a quick restore in about a year, and start enjoying driving this car. Well I'm into about my second month, and I'm finding the normal rust thru holes here and there. I just took the front windshield trim off and I have rust holes in the corners, I'm tempted to clean the track really good and just patch areas like these with filler, get a quick paint job and start driving. The car does have a fair amount of rust in other locations which I'll get welded or do myself. I guess my question is, do you always have to take every thing apart to do a restore? This is never going to be a show car. Do some of you guys out there do quick restores so you can start enjoying the drive?

Re: How far do I go with this restore? [Re: cudabitten] #120443
09/14/08 03:48 AM
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Drive it rusty if you want to enjoy it now. Trying to fix the rust is like opening pandoras box, it aint easy. The car needs to come completely apart to repair/replace stuff to repair rust.

Re: How far do I go with this restore? [Re: Challenger 1] #120444
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I know were your at if you want to keep it, sooner or later your going to have to restore it. Bottom line is time, money is obviously a concern. I feel the biggest problem we run into is the time factor. You said you had a timeline of a year, ive found out that i myself couldnt set a timeline. Ive come to accept when its done its done. I got lucky i have a patient wife and 3 cars , all at different stages. One is done and driveable , one is very nice Challenger, just putting the final touches on it. This was a car someone did all the work, bodywork paint, ect. All i have to do is the motor and tranny. He was a guy who had 3 years into it and a ton of money. then he changed direction, so i got a great car at a great price. The last is a another Challenger, i took totally apart, just a few suprises. Like i said it'll get done when its done, but doing it myself has special meaning. It has taken me a couple years to collect, swap parts for this car. So its up to you, you might just want to drive it now, but for me if i was wanting to keep it over the long haul, id redo it.

Re: How far do I go with this restore? [Re: Dennispsalm91] #120445
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It will cost less to do it right the first time. Break out the mig and cut off wheel and start doing some fab work

Re: How far do I go with this restore? [Re: AdamR] #120446
09/14/08 02:01 PM
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And if you really go the filler route try to use a waterproof filler in the water prone areas {all-metal, etc...}...

Re: How far do I go with this restore? [Re: screamindriver] #120447
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I had bought mine about 5 years ago and was going to do some cosmetic work to it,( ie.. a little filler here and there and a quick paint job). But after I got into it, it was alot easier to completly strip it down and do it right the first time. It not only looks alot better, but there is a little pride for me and my son that we had completly redone a whole car and it looks nice. I would vote to complete restore. Just take your time and do it right!

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Re: How far do I go with this restore? [Re: Shatar4] #120448
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Re: How far do I go with this restore? [Re: Challenger 1] #120449
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I'm just gonna clean it up a little & Ebay it...I don't need another car...

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Re: How far do I go with this restore? [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #120450
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I agree with everyone else here. I started the resto on my barracuda last fall. I now have the car stripped of everything and on a rotiserie. The undercoating got taken off with a needle scaler and revealed more bad news. I am media blasting the car to do it right the first time. That is my suggestion. Do it right the first time and take your time. I have hundreds of hours into this car but will have it ready for paint by the spring. Then all I have to do is come up with money for the motor and I am set. If you plan on keeping it, do it right. Most of us here will be honest and admit that our cars are in pieces. Once done with the cuda' I only have 3 more cars to go which means I will get done when I am 55????


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Re: How far do I go with this restore? [Re: klunick] #120451
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I have had my road runner about 4 years now and its still in pieces. I started vacuuming it out then out came the tools and tearing it down to pieces. Thats where I am still welding in patch panels and the car is gutted. Maybe I'll get it back together in another 4 years. Good Luck! Jay

Re: How far do I go with this restore? [Re: ONEBADBIRD] #120452
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My is to do your low buck fixes and drive it. Cause once you get the snowball rolling its hard to stop it. Save your $ for the resto later and gradually buy the parts you need for the resto.

Re: How far do I go with this restore? [Re: NV69B7RR] #120453
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Hes got rust in the window channel which mean the glass is all ready out. No sreason to half a$$ it know. It wont get better by packing it with filler and trying to reinstall the glass.

If you really just want to drive a car the best thing to do is not take anything apart. Fix mechanical's and forget looks. Once you take stuff apart theres no use in putting it back together n-fixed.

Re: How far do I go with this restore? [Re: NV69B7RR] #120454
09/19/08 10:58 AM
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My is to do your low buck fixes and drive it. Cause once you get the snowball rolling its hard to stop it. Save your $ for the resto later and gradually buy the parts you need for the resto.




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Re: How far do I go with this restore? [Re: cudabitten] #120455
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One alternative to welding you might want to consider is the so called Rustbusters alternative. I read about this spray on zinc type product years ago and recently saw the machine at a local shop. It is actually pretty amazing the types of rust issues which can be filled. I specifically saw the corners to the windshield areas repaired with this method.

Re: How far do I go with this restore? [Re: NV69B7RR] #120456
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My is to do your low buck fixes and drive it. Cause once you get the snowball rolling its hard to stop it. Save your $ for the resto later and gradually buy the parts you need for the resto.




You've got most of the people suggesting you start a rotisserie resto on a 318 Barracuda. IMHO, that's a questionable investment, and cars must be viewed as an investment in case they get totalled (unless it's enjoyable to lose big $$$ on an over-invested car).

We haven't seen the car so we're all guessing on how bad it is, or what your budget is, or how much time you have.

I've been on both ends, and I'll take a 70% car I can drive and enjoy over a 5-year-in-the-making showcar EVERY day of the week.

Fix it, drive it, make sure you like it. Keep it out of the rain and the rust around the glass should not get out of hand.


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Re: How far do I go with this restore? [Re: Fury Fan] #120457
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Here is my rust bucket.
This is an all original 70 RR I got from the original owner. Yes it has rust in the trunk and around the rear window as is the case on most abused b-bodies. All I did was rebuilt the motor and trans. Its numbers matching as well. For now I just drive it around town and once in a while the wheels spin when I am not in a good mood. I would just get it running and save your money for a proper resto as it will take more time that you think.



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Re: How far do I go with this restore? [Re: ONEBADBIRD] #120458
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I have had my road runner about 4 years now and its still in pieces. I started vacuuming it out then out came the tools and tearing it down to pieces. Thats where I am still welding in patch panels and the car is gutted. Maybe I'll get it back together in another 4 years. Good Luck! Jay




This is exactly why I never vacuum out my cars.


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Re: How far do I go with this restore? [Re: 5wndwcpe] #120459
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Do it once and do it right.
You cannot set a time line that is unrealistic and not factor in the rest of what we call life.
I bought my car August of 2005.Started working on it in 2006.
I am still tearing it down.
Every year I say "It will get done"
But I am in so deep I have to do it right.

A/B/E guys have it easier than us C guys.
At least if the rust is worse then you thought you can get reproduction panels.---Not C guys.
A rule of thumb ,I learned for whatever rust to see---add 50% more for what you do not see and will discover.


For the whole story on my car,just click on the link in my sig...


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Re: How far do I go with this restore? [Re: 68Cbarge] #120460
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You've got most of the people suggesting you start a rotisserie resto on a 318 Barracuda. IMHO, that's a questionable investment, and cars must be viewed as an investment in case they get totalled (unless it's enjoyable to lose big $$$ on an over-invested car).

We haven't seen the car so we're all guessing on how bad it is, or what your budget is, or how much time you have.

I've been on both ends, and I'll take a 70% car I can drive and enjoy over a 5-year-in-the-making showcar EVERY day of the week.

Fix it, drive it, make sure you like it. Keep it out of the rain and the rust around the glass should not get out of hand.





Very well said, and the reason my Cuda is a beater. I'd rather drive my black primer cuda with rust holes in the trunk than look at the shell of it hanging on a rotisserie in my garage. I don't have the money to farm out the work to someone else and I don't have the time to do the job right myself. For now at least, I'm happy to be able to tackle small projects. This winter I'll repair the grille and recover the front seats. Last year it was repair the clock, tach and gauges. BTW, I just had a new windshield put in and yes I had some rust damage in the window channel. I cleaned it up as best I could, applied some rust treatment and had a new windshield slapped in. The car is only driven on sunny days and is always garaged. Sure I've got some rust, but it won't be totally eating the car in the next ten years.

Re: How far do I go with this restore? [Re: rss] #120461
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I agree its more fun to have a car with a bit of rust that runs and drives then a car sitting in the garage or shop for years but his car is all ready apart. Fix it right the first time..

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