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Re: A-Body BB or Hemi Z-Bar Question [Re: 70HemiGTX] #1203126
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I have a Lakewood bell in my Dart and it works fine with a factory z-bar and off-set bracket. The alignment is off by a little, but not much. I can live with it where it is. Clutch works fine also. I can try to get some pics of it this evening and post them if anyone wants to see some.




Do you know what year the Lakewood was made and do you have the part number? I say that because I tried to use one for my 383 Dart in the late 70's and there was no way. That is when I found the Ansen was specifically made for a big block A-Body, and even works in the early A cars as well.


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Re: A-Body BB or Hemi Z-Bar Question [Re: Rhinodart] #1203127
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I have a Lakewood bell in my Dart and it works fine with a factory z-bar and off-set bracket. The alignment is off by a little, but not much. I can live with it where it is. Clutch works fine also. I can try to get some pics of it this evening and post them if anyone wants to see some.




Do you know what year the Lakewood was made and do you have the part number? I say that because I tried to use one for my 383 Dart in the late 70's and there was no way. That is when I found the Ansen was specifically made for a big block A-Body, and even works in the early A cars as well.




I'm not sure of the year of the housing. I know I bought it used, repainted it and only remember the SFI sticker on it that I taped over. I don't recall seeing a part# stamped any where on the thing. Doesn't mean there isn't one there. Just didn't pay attention or notice it. I can look though. Any where in particular that I should look for a p/n?

Re: A-Body BB or Hemi Z-Bar Question [Re: 70HemiGTX] #1203128
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If you can post a pic or 2 when you can that would be great.

A buddy dropped off another Lakewood shield today on his way to work.

It was on a 65 B-body that was raced forever.

Both shields are 2 piece. No P/N found on either but the "early" one is noticebly heavier in weight.



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Re: A-Body BB or Hemi Z-Bar Question [Re: SSAAHemiFan] #1203129
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Mine is a one-piece. I had a two-piece, but sold that many years ago. Should have kept it.

Re: A-Body BB or Hemi Z-Bar Question [Re: 70HemiGTX] #1203130
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Mine Lakewood was a one piece with the big plate and 17 freakin' bolts that held it together! The Ansen design is similar and has dual bolt patterns for small or big block.


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Re: A-Body BB or Hemi Z-Bar Question [Re: Rhinodart] #1203131
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I took some pics, but I don't know what we can see. Pretty crowded in there.

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Re: A-Body BB or Hemi Z-Bar Question [Re: 70HemiGTX] #1203132
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Thanks for the pic 70HemiGTX

Measured both shields tonight and the mounting bracket for the Z-bar is in the same location.

The bolt holes were worn on the second shield (race car) - so the bolts were sloppy - the location of the holes was the same on both.

I edited my above post where I said the bolts were different sizes. My error.

I will try to post a pic with the dimensions tomorrow.

Re: A-Body BB or Hemi Z-Bar Question [Re: 70HemiGTX] #1203133
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I took some pics, but I don't know what we can see. Pretty crowded in there.




That is definitely different than the one I had, the bracket welded to the housing looks correct for an A-Body!


The funny thing about science is that if you change one miniscule parameter you change the entire outcome to the way you want it.

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Re: A-Body BB or Hemi Z-Bar Question [Re: Rhinodart] #1203134
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I really only remember seeing Lakewoods with those bracket welded on to the. I never saw any with out the bracket. I figured they are all the same. I'll have to keep my eyes open at the swap meets this spring.

Re: A-Body BB or Hemi Z-Bar Question [Re: 70HemiGTX] #1203135
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The B-Body and E-Body only uses one hole for the ballstud while the A-Body and C-Body utilizes 2 holes for the special bracket required. I have seen plenty of Lakewoods with just the single hole that the ballstud screws directly into.


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Re: A-Body BB or Hemi Z-Bar Question [Re: Rhinodart] #1203136
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I have an old 1 piece blowsheild at home ... no idea who made it ... , I'll have to look at it to see how it compares to the Lakewood I have.

Re: A-Body BB or Hemi Z-Bar Question [Re: JohnRR] #1203137
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I removed all the z bar parts and installed a hydraulic unit that bolts to the trans. Header issues are gone! My 2 cents!


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Re: A-Body BB or Hemi Z-Bar Question [Re: EV2CUDA] #1203138
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Boy I wrestled with the Z bar and headers on my HEMI dart for a month, finally went the hyd route. I'm not in love with it, but it works easy enough, would of loved to keep the Z bar and all.

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Re: A-Body BB or Hemi Z-Bar Question [Re: DANA60] #1203139
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Here is a pic of the Z-Bar bracket location on a Lakewood shield if anyone is interested.

I am going to cut and relocate it as soon as I am off crutches.

Thanks to everyone who contributed info and pics.

In case measurements are hard to read on your screen:

Top to bottom

1 5/8
1/2
1 1/4
2 1/2

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Here is a pic of the Z-Bar bracket location on a Lakewood shield if anyone is interested.

I am going to cut and relocate it as soon as I am off crutches.

Thanks to everyone who contributed info and pics.

In case measurements are hard to read on your screen:

Top to bottom

1 5/8
1/2
1 1/4
2 1/2





Which way are you moving it?

Re: A-Body BB or Hemi Z-Bar Question [Re: 70HemiGTX] #1203141
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Do you want the measurements off of a factory bellhousing or the Ansen I have?


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Re: A-Body BB or Hemi Z-Bar Question [Re: 70HemiGTX] #1203142
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Which way are you moving it?




The bellhousing side pivot ball has to end up 1" lower and approx 1/2 forward from where it is now -

I am going to split the difference between both components ( move the bellhousing bracket forward the 1/2" and just lower the ball location on the bolted on bracket). I had to push the firewall in to clear the bell bracket so this will fix both problems.

Rhino - Thank you for the offer, it's totally up to you. I am going to just cut and change what I have - Chances of finding a Ansen are slim.

I put the original Lakewood location on there just for "general knowlege". It may help others in the future.

I will post pics of the mods when I finish them and more importantly let you know if they worked.

Thanks ALL

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Which way are you moving it?




The bellhousing side pivot ball has to end up 1" lower and approx 1/2 forward from where it is now -

I am going to split the difference between both components ( move the bellhousing bracket forward the 1/2" and just lower the ball location on the bolted on bracket). I had to push the firewall in to clear the bell bracket so this will fix both problems.

Rhino - Thank you for the offer, it's totally up to you. I am going to just cut and change what I have - Chances of finding a Ansen are slim.

I put the original Lakewood location on there just for "general knowlege". It may help others in the future.

I will post pics of the mods when I finish them and more importantly let you know if they worked.

Thanks ALL




If you had to push the firewall in to clear that bracket, are you sure you have the engine sitting at the correct location? I have plenty of room to the fire wall. Also, is the engine sitting level from side to side? Having to move the bracket down 1" seems like an awful lot to be off. Just asking.

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