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Slant 6 and 4 on the floor? #1198599
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was there any slant 6 with 4 on the floor.
I'm thinking of putting a 4 speed in my charger with a slant 6.
What do you think


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Re: Slant 6 and 4 on the floor? #1198601
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1964, yes. After that, I don't think so until the OD 833 in 1975.

Re: Slant 6 and 4 on the floor? [Re: Jim_Lusk] #1198602
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A slant six D100 833od with the long tail shaft is what you'll need for the Charger. They used the same 3.09:1 low gear that the original '64 slant six 833od used. It will help if the Charger has at least a 3.23 rear gear.

If a slant six will move my D100 down the road, it wil move your Charger. I have a 3.91 rear, here it is pulling a 4000 lb '67 Hemi Charger on a 1900 lb trailer.

Re: Slant 6 and 4 on the floor? [Re: B5 Bee] #1198603
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With an OD you'll be able to use a little more gear in the rear so you won't want to slit your wrists waiting to get up to the speed limit.

Little headwork, a 4 bbl, and some headers and you'll have a damn fun car to drive.


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Re: Slant 6 and 4 on the floor? [Re: MrSixpack] #1198604
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Great idea! You will need a 4 speed slant bell housing for the 833OD.


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Re: Slant 6 and 4 on the floor? [Re: MrSixpack] #1198605
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A friend had a 1964 Valiant 225 with a 4 speed. I believe that it was an aluminum block slant. This was a pretty new car at the time. I remember helping him put in a "marine" cam and 4 bbl setup. That little car ran very well.

Re: Slant 6 and 4 on the floor? [Re: MrSixpack] #1198606
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was there any slant 6 with 4 on the floor.



Yes there was, 1961, B.G. T10, to probally mid 1964, the Hyper Paks had them


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Re: Slant 6 and 4 on the floor? [Re: Cab_Burge] #1198607
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I have an original /6 4 speed------77 RAMCHARGER!

But I know thats not what you mean!

RUMBLON

Re: Slant 6 and 4 on the floor? [Re: RUMBLON] #1198608
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My 68 charger is black on black and was original /6 with 3 on the tree.
It had a 7 1/4 with 2.73 but it was so bad I throw it in the trash.

The column shifter is in so bad condition and I can't find any parts over here.

So I was thinking of the 833 tranny I have from a 383 and rework the /6 bellhousing to fit it.

Yes I know I'm

(It's one of only four made according to Galen)

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1968 Dodge Dart GT 340
1968 Dodge Charger /6 3 speed manual
1966 Chrysler 300 Loaded
1968 Dodge Charger R/T 440

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Re: Slant 6 and 4 on the floor? [Re: MrSixpack] #1198609
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Keeping the slant and adding a 4 speed and turbo would really mess with people's heads. It won't be as fast as a V8. If you want to stay slant? Come on over to www.slantsix.org There is some great turbo builds going on.

What rear, and gear do you have now?


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Re: Slant 6 and 4 on the floor? [Re: Rug_Trucker] #1198610
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the feather duster had a OD aluminum cased four speed in it

Re: Slant 6 and 4 on the floor? [Re: MrSixpack] #1198611
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i like it,alot. or maybe keep the 3-speed,but with an vintage after market 3-speed floor shifter setup..pm me if you get tired of the car..

Re: Slant 6 and 4 on the floor? [Re: cuda-sweden] #1198612
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i like it,alot. or maybe keep the 3-speed,but with an vintage after market 3-speed floor shifter setup..pm me if you get tired of the car..




Depends on the transmission. Some if not all the column shift ones have no place to mount the shifter. That has been my experience with the ones with the non synchro 1st gear.


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Re: Slant 6 and 4 on the floor? [Re: jamesc] #1198613
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the feather duster had a OD aluminum cased four speed in it




Yep!. The Volares and Aspens had the slant/OD combo too. They aren't B and E body length. Pickups and vans have the correct length.


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Re: Slant 6 and 4 on the floor? [Re: MrSixpack] #1198614
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Quote:

My 68 charger is black on black and was original /6 with 3 on the tree.
It had a 7 1/4 with 2.73 but it was so bad I throw it in the trash.

The column shifter is in so bad condition and I can't find any parts over here.

So I was thinking of the 833 tranny I have from a 383 and rework the /6 bellhousing to fit it.

Yes I know I'm

(It's one of only four made according to Galen)




Unless you have a lot of rear gear you will really beat up your clutch trying to get it moving. That is why they used the 3.09 low gear with Slants.


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Re: Slant 6 and 4 on the floor? [Re: slantzilla] #1198615
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Quote:

Quote:

My 68 charger is black on black and was original /6 with 3 on the tree.
It had a 7 1/4 with 2.73 but it was so bad I throw it in the trash.

The column shifter is in so bad condition and I can't find any parts over here.

So I was thinking of the 833 tranny I have from a 383 and rework the /6 bellhousing to fit it.

Yes I know I'm

(It's one of only four made according to Galen)




Unless you have a lot of rear gear you will really beat up your clutch trying to get it moving. That is why they used the 3.09 low gear with Slants.





That's why I went with a 3.91 in my D100.
The 3.09 low and original 3.21 rear gear was fine when empty. With the trailer on the back, it took a bit of clutch dust to get it moving. Now with the 3.91, the only time I have to ride the clutch with a load is on a steep incline.

Re: Slant 6 and 4 on the floor? [Re: B5 Bee] #1198616
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In '66 I tuned up a Barracuda /6 4 sped for the district service rep. so yeah,they did exist but weren't common. It did confirm my belief that rowing through the gears makes any car more fun.
Ron


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Re: Slant 6 and 4 on the floor? [Re: MrSixpack] #1198617
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I did this on my /6 Barracuda.

Here is the long and short of it. You have 3 problems to overcome. Bellhousing, Clutch Fork, & Clutch Linkage.

You need a bellhousing with a 4 speed bolt pattern so you can bolt an 833 to it. Back in the sixties they did make some 4 speed /6 bellhousings but they are virtually impossible to find here, over there, I doubt it is going to happen. Plan B:

Later model Trucks/Cars had a dual bolt pattern bellhousing for the slants. Unfortunately they are all overdrive. But this is an easy fix.
You can;
Run an Overdrive Transmission.
Swap transmission parts around until you get a standard gearset in an overdrive housing.
OR
Machine an adapter to adapt the non overdrive transmission's input shaft bearing retainer to an overdrive bellhousing. Brewers or Passon probably sell one but I made mine.

2nd Problem, is the overdrive bellhousings usually (maybe always?) used a different clutch fork. It used a ball pivot instead of the tab pivot that most older mopars used and it is longer. They need to be a matched set, Bellhousing & Fork buy them both together.

3rd problem is the Z-Bar. It must reach from the frame to the engine and line up with the clutch pedal rod & Clutch fork. Older /6 cars used a very long Z-bar and will probably not line up with the clutch for from an overdrive bellhousing. A z-bar from a later model car would probably be too short or not line up with the clutch pedal rod. I made a freaky looking adapter that bolted to my Z-bar and added a pivot further to the drivers side that was aligned to the clutch fork. It is heavy (about 6oz) but I didn't have to modify my original fork. The factory clutches were pretty springy so it works fine. If I were to do it again I would buy a spare one from Brewers/Passon and have the lever moved over. They may be able to do it for you. I did notice a late model truck with a hydraulic clutch fork in the JK once, it may be an option also.

Good news is that I think all /6's used the same diameter flywheel just different pressure plate bolt patterns so I do not think you will run into a problem like the V8's where they made 11" and 10.5" flywheels that won't interchange inside bellhousings. Somebody correct me if I am wrong.


I hope it helps.

Re: Slant 6 and 4 on the floor? [Re: B5 Bee] #1198618
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Cool setup! How's the gear spread on that thing?

Been on the lookout for an 318 OD Ram or even a /6 but people around here are out of their minds: $2000.00 and up for junkers. Holy Grail for me would be the 318 with the hydraulic clutch 833OD. According the service manual 1987 is the only year they made 'em.


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