Re: Welding on axle housings damage anything?
[Re: NicksGarage]
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03/16/12 09:56 PM
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If you look they are welded together from the factory. So welding on them won't be a problem.
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Re: Welding on axle housings damage anything?
[Re: NicksGarage]
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03/16/12 10:58 PM
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I welded new caliper mounting brackets to an axle before. no problems at all.
Don't know if it was right or wrong, but I put a wet rag around the tube on the "back side" of where I was welding, to help keep things cool. I placed the rag on, THEN started to weld, so the metal never got "shocked" it did get hot and was hissing the water out of the rag, but I THINK it helped keep heat down on the axle tube itself.
Right or wrong, I put 4,000 miles on that axle with my big block Dakota without any problems, and my buddy is running it in his 318, T-56 Dakota that's his daily driver and has probably 10K miles on it since we put the axle in it last spring.
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Re: Welding on axle housings damage anything?
[Re: 70Cuda383]
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03/16/12 10:59 PM
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Oh, and I welded on it with the axles OUT of the tube....however, if I had it to do over again, I'd probably slide the axles in, just to help give something strong that might help prevent any distortion
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Re: Welding on axle housings damage anything?
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03/17/12 12:02 AM
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If you look they are welded together from the factory. So welding on them won't be a problem.
I know that, but that is in a factory and the housings probably aren't welded with the axles, bearings and seals in there. Who knows what they did here, the welds were kind of sloppy too.
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Re: Welding on axle housings damage anything?
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03/18/12 04:41 PM
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Oh, and I welded on it with the axles OUT of the tube....however, if I had it to do over again, I'd probably slide the axles in, just to help give something strong that might help prevent any distortion
Don't think for a minute that a pair of axles is doing anything for rigidity during welding.
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Re: Welding on axle housings damage anything?
[Re: BigBlockMopar]
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03/18/12 06:11 PM
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Welding thicker pieces is just like welding sheet metal. A little at a time and you'll be fine. Remember, anything that is welded gets smaller once it cools.
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Re: Welding on axle housings damage anything?
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03/18/12 07:35 PM
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I'm not trying to put big wheels on the car, it's just a cruiser. I have 15" chrome road wheels on it now and they fit fine. From the axle comparison chart in the tech archives it shows the '67 axle being slightly narrower drum to drum than the '64 but that shouldn't cause me any issues.
I doubt I'll go get the thing this weekend as it's supposed to rain and that yard gets pretty mucked up. I actually first saw it a couple weeks ago when it was half-price day but it was close to closing time. It's only $88 regular price anyway but I need to drag a friend down there to help me with it so I don't throw my back out again.
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Re: Welding on axle housings damage anything?
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03/18/12 08:54 PM
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I welded new caliper mounting brackets to an axle before. no problems at all.
Don't know if it was right or wrong, but I put a wet rag around the tube on the "back side" of where I was welding, to help keep things cool. I placed the rag on, THEN started to weld, so the metal never got "shocked" it did get hot and was hissing the water out of the rag, but I THINK it helped keep heat down on the axle tube itself.
Right or wrong, I put 4,000 miles on that axle with my big block Dakota without any problems, and my buddy is running it in his 318, T-56 Dakota that's his daily driver and has probably 10K miles on it since we put the axle in it last spring.
Actually you would have been better off letting the heat dissipate into the rest of the axle housing. Isolating it with wet rags caused more heat build up in the end of the axle. Probably still no big deal in this case but it could be a factor when welding on something longer or if it were out in the middle of the axle shaft.
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Re: Welding on axle housings damage anything?
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03/18/12 09:50 PM
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I welded new caliper mounting brackets to an axle before. no problems at all.
Don't know if it was right or wrong, but I put a wet rag around the tube on the "back side" of where I was welding, to help keep things cool. I placed the rag on, THEN started to weld, so the metal never got "shocked" it did get hot and was hissing the water out of the rag, but I THINK it helped keep heat down on the axle tube itself.
Right or wrong, I put 4,000 miles on that axle with my big block Dakota without any problems, and my buddy is running it in his 318, T-56 Dakota that's his daily driver and has probably 10K miles on it since we put the axle in it last spring.
Actually you would have been better off letting the heat dissipate into the rest of the axle housing. Isolating it with wet rags caused more heat build up in the end of the axle. Probably still no big deal in this case but it could be a factor when welding on something longer or if it were out in the middle of the axle shaft.
the mount pads were about 4" from the end of the tube, and the wet rag was on the outside of the plate, keeping the heat out of the end of the tube. I didn't put anything on the welded side of the flange because I didn't want water cracking/contaminating the welds as they cooled off.
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Re: Welding on axle housings damage anything?
[Re: BigBlockMopar]
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03/18/12 09:51 PM
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Oh, and I welded on it with the axles OUT of the tube....however, if I had it to do over again, I'd probably slide the axles in, just to help give something strong that might help prevent any distortion
Don't think for a minute that a pair of axles is doing anything for rigidity during welding.
no, they definitely are not the same as a secure mounted welding jig, but surely having the axle shafts in the tubes anchored into the differential and held in place with the wheel bearings, would be stronger than just air in the axle tubes?
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Re: Welding on axle housings damage anything?
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03/19/12 06:37 AM
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no, they definitely are not the same as a secure mounted welding jig, but surely having the axle shafts in the tubes anchored into the differential and held in place with the wheel bearings, would be stronger than just air in the axle tubes?
In worst case the axles will bend aswell.
You cannot prevent warpage when welding by trying to force steel to stay in position. The only way to prevent warpage is to carefully apply the (welding)heat.
Even a welding jig is just there to keep parts aligned before welding.
Any significant warpage that is present after welding can usually be corrected again by applying heat in the right locations.
There are some clips on youtube on this subject.
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