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Re: When did Fram filters start being junk??
[Re: 1_WILD_RT]
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03/04/12 04:02 PM
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JohnRR
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It seems maybe at one time they were not so bad....
What in that ad makes you believe they were any better then than now? Print ads & paid endorsements don't always tell the truth....
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Re: When did Fram filters start being junk??
[Re: SattyNoCar]
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03/04/12 04:44 PM
03/04/12 04:44 PM
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Sonora, CA
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I think the turning point was in the mid '80's?
Just my observation, not hard fact.
It can be pinpointed to exactly February 1, 1983, when Allied bought Bendix, the owners of Fram Company. Junk ever since.
From back in the day:
STOCKHOLDERS CLEAR PURCHASE OF BENDIX; ALLIED NET OFF 22%
By ROBERT J. COLE, Special to the New York Times (The New York Times); Financial Desk
February 1, 1983, Tuesday
Stockholders of the Allied Corporation voted overwhelmingly at company headquarters here today to approve a $1.8 billion merger with the Bendix Corporation, formally ending one of the most bizarre merger battles in American corporate history. As the vote was being tallied, Edward L. Hennessy Jr., chairman of Allied, told stockholders that Allied's profits plunged 22 percent in both the fourth quarter and for all of 1982. Later, he said that those results would have been even worse if Bendix had been acquired in time to be included in the results. In response to questions at a news conference, Mr. Hennessy sharply assailed the highly publicized takeover battle that began last summer with Bendix bidding for the Martin Marietta Corporation.
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Re: When did Fram filters start being junk??
[Re: 68X426]
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03/04/12 04:49 PM
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Von
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Knock on wood....Ive never had a problem with Fram filters..... My Nissan has 230xxx miles on it. Almost always used Frams on it....and OMG Trop Artic oil.... Had the pan, front of motor, etc off to change the timing chain and it looks very very nice. If I posted a pic of it you would think it has maybe 50k on it.... Im not doubting that a Wix/Napa, etc filter is better, but Ive not had any issues....yet. 
72 RR, Pump gas 440, 452s, 3800 lbs, Corked, ET Radials,. 11.33@117.72.
Same car, bone stock 346s, 9.5 comp, baby solid. 12.24@110.
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Re: When did Fram filters start being junk??
[Re: Von]
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03/04/12 05:04 PM
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I found 2 discarded oil filters in the dumpster at work. A Fram and a Delco. I cut them open and showed everybody. Lots of Fram users were surprised. The Delco filter showed them what a filter should be like. In addition to the cheap cardboard ends the Fram had unevenly spaced pleats.
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Re: When did Fram filters start being junk??
[Re: Von]
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03/04/12 06:17 PM
03/04/12 06:17 PM
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Granite Bay CA
Kern Dog
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Knock on wood....Ive never had a problem with Fram filters.....
My Nissan has 230xxx miles on it. Almost always used Frams on it....and OMG Trop Artic oil....
Had the pan, front of motor, etc off to change the timing chain and it looks very very nice. If I posted a pic of it you would think it has maybe 50k on it....
Im not doubting that a Wix/Napa, etc filter is better, but Ive not had any issues....yet.
I had similar luck with a 305 in a Chevy truck. I went 367,000 with Fram PH30 filters. It spun 3 rod bearings but still ran! Maybe using Fram filters is comparable to driving without seatbelts or prophylactics...... the danger is all around you, but some come out unscathed...........
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Re: When did Fram filters start being junk??
[Re: GwaiiEagle]
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03/05/12 12:19 AM
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When I was in HS (which would have been about '84-'85) I had two Fram filters, one was an 'old' one (never used, still in its package), and a brand new one from the local auto parts store.
The weight difference between the two was VERY obvious. The 'old' one felt almost as if it were full of oil it was so much heavier than the new one. I didn't know at the time that Fram had been bought out.
I continued to use Fram off and on off for a few more years, then, I started noticing the differences with oil pressure between Fram and a good filter like WIX.
I've never had an engine 'blow up' because of a Fram (though the original engine to my wagon has a spun bearing and a Fram filter on it, coincidence?) but, I use only WIX now.
John
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Re: When did Fram filters start being junk??
[Re: DPelletier]
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03/05/12 10:04 PM
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I would never use a Fram on the race car but I have put 100's of thousands of miles on them in my DD and in 30 years I have never had a oil filter related problem.
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Re: When did Fram filters start being junk??
[Re: dusturbd340W5]
#1190980
03/05/12 10:07 PM
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Kirkland, Washington
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I would never use a Fram on the race car but I have put 100's of thousands of miles on them in my DD and in 30 years I have never had a oil filter related problem.
And my Father-in-law has been smoking Pall Mall straights for over 50 years and he's never had a cancer problem (knock on wood). That don't make em healthy 
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