Re: 4.0 engine in an A-body
[Re: syleng1]
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Might want to take a height measurement first.. /6, V8 both have the cylinders angled to reduce height... On the other hand the Aussie Dart has an inline 6 but I believe it is shorter.... But using the 4.0 EFI on a slanty should be pretty easy...
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Re: 4.0 engine in an A-body
[Re: 1_WILD_RT]
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Might want to take a height measurement first.. /6, V8 both have the cylinders angled to reduce height... On the other hand the Aussie Dart has an inline 6 but I believe it is shorter.... But using the 4.0 EFI on a slanty should be pretty easy...
The OzHemi's are longer than a slant...by a few inches actually. That is why the Aussie A bodies they came in have an engine bay about 3.5" longer than the US cars.
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Re: 4.0 engine in an A-body
[Re: Kern Dog]
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02/21/12 02:12 PM
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If trying to get gas mileage and using a 999 trans, one of the 2.21 or 2.45 gear sets would be better than a 2.76. The 318 M bodies with these gears would exceed 20 mpg highway. These extreme gears will help highway fuel economy, but will hurt performance.
My Jeep Cherokee with a 4.0 and the overdrive transmission got 19-20 mpg frequently. It had 3.55 gears and was a 4x4. I think the EPA rating for it is only 18 mpg highway though. I tend to drive for economy, so a lot of folks gas mileage probably wouldn't be quite as high.
The 273 V8 is only a little larger than a 4.0 Jeep engine, while the 225 slant six is a little smaller. Either of these would obviously be less work. But since the original poster has a good 4.0 on hand, an engine swap may be a good plan.
The 4.0 is obviously a newer engine than either the 273 or the 225 Mopar engines. The 4.0 has many advantages offered by newer technology. (fuel injection, etc.) I'm going to guess the 4.0 will likly fit in an A-body just fine. The 4.0 is essentially a re-engineered, updated and modified version of the older AMC six cylinder. The Rambler American was quite similar in size to the Mopar A bodies. Since the AMC engine was used in the American, it will likely fit in a Mopar A body. I'm fairly certain that AMC used some 904 mopar transmissions in some of their cars. So it is probable that the 999 gear set could be swapped into the "AMC" version of the 904 transmission and be installed behind the 4.0 engine. This may allow the 904 to bolt into an A-body. (I don't know if the AMC transmission mount is the same as a mopar mount though) It would be important to verify that the transmission used has a lock-up converter if fuel mileage is an important consideration. If it could be made to fit, I'd seriously consider using the Toyota transmission that Jeep used behind the 4.0 in the Jeeps Cherokees. These are overdrive transmissions and seldom give any serious trouble.
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Re: 4.0 engine in an A-body
[Re: CMFast]
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I have a feeling height may be an issue, and perhaps getting an oil pan to fit. if you want to stick with 6 cylinders, I think I'd try adapt the 4L's EFI to the slanty, or look for a take out 3.7 from a liberty or GC, a magnum 3.9 (3/4 of a 318), or a 3.8 out of a grand cherokee. personally, I'd build a 318 magnum similar to hotroddave's "super duper gas mileage 318" in the "best of" section, but using a reground hydraulic roller cam and either adapting the magnum EFI, or putting a carb intake and running a demonsizzler tuned small t-quad on it. or a FAST EZ-EFI. I built a magnum headed 318 in my 4000 lb 5th ave, with a rerung short block, reground roller cam (259/259 adv, 208/208@.050, .506/.506 with magnum rockers, 112LSA, installed at a 108 ICL), headers, eddie air gap and edelbrock 600cfm carb, and it moved my old 5th ave pretty well, comparable to an early 1st gen 300C AWD from a roll. this was with 3.55's and an A500 OD tranny. in my mixed driving commute I'd get about 17.5mpg. now replace the eddie 600 with a spread bore or better tuned EFI, put it in a car 600-700lbs lighter, and switch to an A833OD with 3.23 gears, I bet you'd have a car well into the 13's that would return 20-21 mpg in mixed driving if you kept your foot out of it, and straight highway mileage close to 25mpg...step up to 0 deck with KB167 pistons, and expect more power and probably even better fuel economy. my cam was reground by bulletcams.com, they used their HR259/316 lobe. step it down to their HR247/306 (247adv, 192@.050, 112@.2, .306 lobe lift, .490" valve lift with magnum 1.6 rockers) or their HR252/320 lobe (252 adv. 195@.050, 115@.2, .320 lobe lift, .512" with 1.6 rockers) and you might be able to get upper 20's on the highway....
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Re: 4.0 engine in an A-body
[Re: patrick]
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02/21/12 11:02 PM
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I think it would be pretty cool to do the 4.0 swap.
Although they have a little bit less power(177 vs 190hp) I would do the swap with the renix fuel injected 4.0(87-90). That is a very simple EFI system that works well and is easy to work on if it acts up. I also think it would be pretty easy to make the renix EFI and the AW4 transmission controller "stand alone" vs the later fuel injection system.
I wouldn't do this swap expecting to get some crazy MPG but high teens low 20s would be pretty doable. The XJ Cherokees weigh about the same as an A-body and are probably no better or worse off when it comes to aerodynamics.
Its also super easy to build the 4.0 up to a 4.6(281cid) using all stock AMC/Chrysler parts. Mine has about 35K miles on it now and has a nice increase in power but doesn't get any worse MPG than before.
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