Re: Doing it right the first time
[Re: Big B]
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02/11/12 01:16 PM
02/11/12 01:16 PM
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I've been on Moparts for over 5 years now and seemm to notice a trend.
It seems like people can always afford to keep doing their motors
Over and over again. I mean they will upgrade their cylinder heads
every 2 years by porting or buying new heads. Then all the various
rockers, pushrods,etc.really add up. Then it's going from a stock block,
to strocker kit, to aftermarket block. You know what I'm saying.
How much money would a person save if they just built it right from the start?
I bet for all the upgrades people do they could have gone with a twin turbo Hemi
right from the start. Then it's just a matter of boost to go faster.
Would most agree with this?
I would guess that most people bankroll their car over the years and want to have those years of enjoyment actually driving their car instead of watching it sit in a corner waiting on the "first time" bullet. Life is short, enjoy it while you can because you never know what tomorrow brings. 
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Re: Doing it right the first time
[Re: Crazy68Dart]
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02/11/12 03:13 PM
02/11/12 03:13 PM
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Eighty Four, PA
B G Racing
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It's a learning process or "curve".People just don't always jump into a fast car or learn all the in's and out's of driving,tuning and building their race cars.Not everyone is blessed with the skills and knowledge.Some of the best racers have developed their programs over periods of many years. Many times it's better to test the waters before diving in the "deep end of the pool" so as not to get in over your head and find you can't swim.We must crawl before we walk and walk before we run.Not too many of us hit the ground running. As we learn we uasually step up our programs and do it as our budget allows us.I have seen many racers start out racing slower cars and work their way to the faster cars and feel very comfortable.On the other hand had I've seen guys jump into a real fast car with a big investment and have a bad experience,find out they are in way over their head and quit with a big dollar hit. Sure it's cheaper to do it once,but think of all you learn buy taking your time,planning your moves and accomplishing your goals.Not many make it to the top on there first attempt.  
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Re: Doing it right the first time
[Re: stevet340]
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02/11/12 03:14 PM
02/11/12 03:14 PM
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new jersey usa
11secdart
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My engines have always been good quality but the faster you go , the more expensive it gets. My learning curve has evolved over 30 years going from 15s to mid 10s and now back to mid 11s all in the same car. I agree put in good parts the first time. I had a stock Magnum crate short block with cast crank it ran ok but I later upgraded to steel crank and good rods and pistons. Last year it came out for inspection and after 5 years and 500 runs all it needed was rod bearings that probably could have went another season or so but replaced anyhow. I have an R block and stroker crank for a future small block project but theres no way around it, its going to be expensive as good quality is.
Last edited by 11secdart; 02/11/12 03:26 PM.
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92 D150 original owner
21 Ram 1500 Quad Cab, Big Horn , Hemi ,4x4
23 Audi Q5
16 Honda HRV
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Re: Doing it right the first time
[Re: stevet340]
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02/11/12 03:14 PM
02/11/12 03:14 PM
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Balt. Md
383man
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For me it has always been my budget. As when I built my first eng for my 63 in 2005 I wanted and 11 second driver as thats all I could afford and I figured that was respectable for what it is. And then I see new cars running 11's right off the showroom floor so I figure I need 10's to beat most NA street cars. And after I divorced I had the cash to build the eng I always wanted too and it ran 10's. I have no plans for any major upgrades any more. Ron
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Re: Doing it right the first time
[Re: Big B]
#1176391
02/11/12 05:05 PM
02/11/12 05:05 PM
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Aurora, Colorado
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I'm on here because I like doing alot of research, and seeing what other are doing for their combination. There is alot of combined knowledge here that is really helpful when planning an engine build. I also use the DynoSim5, and an excel spread sheet with a bunch of calculations to try out different combinations. The research has resulted in builds that seem to work for me without many changes. I really want to get my 505" stroker installed and see how it performs. The criteria for the 505 build put looks, fitment, idle quality, sound, and a wide torque band for street driving. I could have built the engine to make alot more power, but the convertible is a street car, and likely too quick to race without a roll bar anyhow.
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Re: Doing it right the first time
[Re: Crizila]
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02/12/12 01:57 AM
02/12/12 01:57 AM
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I totally disagree with the OP. How many people have started building their car, then decided to go a different direction once they got it to a certain point? Thus spending more money... or like me you think you did everything right just to find out you Fu""ed up on something and it cost a ton of money to make it right..... It happens and if it were not for guys like "us" there would be no aftermarket... its not the people like you who buy 1 distributor, 1 intake manifold, 1 carb, 1 set of headers... its guys like me who have bought 3 distributors, 2 intakes, 2 carbs and 3 sets of headers I have done my part to help the hobby survive, msd distributors are not cheap, neither are cppa, hooker, and pro parts headers! Its all part of the evolution of the car. All of those parts are for ONE engine. Keep in mind I have had 6 different engines in this car...  I get scared when Im almost done with my projects. I enjoy the build as much, if not more than the finished product. I don't think I will ever stop chugging my projects goals. Read my last thread I just started. Now that my car has all the parts i need, for 1/4 mile im thinking of going to 1 mile... guess the 4.56 spool, i just got for my dana 60 may need to be re-geared 
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