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Hello everyone been lurking for awhile and now have a question. I'm stepping up my 408 with better heads and have two choices of heads.
Either a set of Indy 360-1 cnc245 heads or w-5 heads that have stage 4 ssds port work with raised ports.
Anybody got a suggestion on which heads i should go with?
they will be on my 408 stroker in my tube chassis 2000 dakota RT at 2600-2800lbs with a 727 and will see street use.


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W5's have alot of problems...I'd go Indy -1 or -2 cnc port.
Which on depends on things like rpm range, compression, pump or race gas, and power you want. The -2 with the short turn reworked is a great head and can make over 700HP in alot of applications.
JMO...
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W5's have alot of problems?????? like what kind ???

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Yes porosity, loose seats, guides not tight, guides not on center, guides too loose, water under the s/t won't allow a great port shape, deck is thin resulting in head gaskets unsealing rather easy, spring pads can sag after time, water can seep from the rocker shaft stud holes, they hold a ton of oil.
That's all I can think of right now. Ofcourse not all of them have these problems, but most every head out there has at least ONE of these problems and usually more.

Too bad because they could have been a KILLER head but never got there.

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Isn't the new victor head base of the W5. Sure looks like a replica W5

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I'm sure they're aiming for that but hopefully some improvements have been made. It's not an MP piece so it's not a W5. If MP would have fixed all those issues and cast it more like a ported W5 it could have stopped making every other sb head save for the w8-9 heads because they would have sold a kazillion of them!

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watch those indys 245-1 they are a crack er head

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Oh now you tell me after I already bought them, thanks alot



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Isn't the new victor head base of the W5. Sure looks like a replica W5

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I'm sure they're aiming for that but hopefully some improvements have been made. It's not an MP piece so it's not a W5. If MP would have fixed all those issues and cast it more like a ported W5 it could have stopped making every other sb head save for the w8-9 heads because they would have sold a kazillion of them!

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I agree but reality is that the smallblock LA program is IMO on the way out.
Especially when you have a production head that will flow around 360 cfm untouched.
IMO we need a good cast iron race block for that head that is well priced.

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Isn't the new victor head base of the W5. Sure looks like a replica W5

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I'm sure they're aiming for that but hopefully some improvements have been made. It's not an MP piece so it's not a W5. If MP would have fixed all those issues and cast it more like a ported W5 it could have stopped making every other sb head save for the w8-9 heads because they would have sold a kazillion of them!

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I agree but reality is that the smallblock LA program is IMO on the way out.
Especially when you have a production head that will flow around 360 cfm untouched.
IMO we need a good cast iron race block for that head that is well priced.

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Dart is on there way to doing mopar blocks so don't worry too much.
I disagree about the LA on the way out. 23° sb chevy stuff is still going strong despite the much hyped LS-LX stuff.
If this Victor head turns out to be a great piece, and we do infact get some blocks (Ritter has a very nice block)I see it as it's just starting!
Biggest hurdle is getting everyone to go 48° lifter angle.
IMO...all the new blocks/heads should be setup to go 48° and leave the 59° stuff to mild performance/mild racing and hot rod stuff.
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Isn't the new victor head base of the W5. Sure looks like a replica W5

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I'm sure they're aiming for that but hopefully some improvements have been made. It's not an MP piece so it's not a W5. If MP would have fixed all those issues and cast it more like a ported W5 it could have stopped making every other sb head save for the w8-9 heads because they would have sold a kazillion of them!

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I agree but reality is that the smallblock LA program is IMO on the way out.
Especially when you have a production head that will flow around 360 cfm untouched.
IMO we need a good cast iron race block for that head that is well priced.

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Dart is on there way to doing mopar blocks so don't worry too much.
I disagree about the LA on the way out. 23° sb chevy stuff is still going strong despite the much hyped LS-LX stuff.
If this Victor head turns out to be a great piece, and we do infact get some blocks (Ritter has a very nice block)I see it as it's just starting!
Biggest hurdle is getting everyone to go 48° lifter angle.
IMO...all the new blocks/heads should be setup to go 48° and leave the 59° stuff to mild performance/mild racing and hot rod stuff.
Brian

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Didnt know Dart was coming out with a block good news
the Chevy stuff is because the sell 100 to 1 of ours
I believe that MOPAR is not casting any of the LA heads that leaves us with INDY and Edelbrock heads. I dont think te P7 are catching on then again nothing Dodge makes is that popular.
The icing would be if MOPAR would start casting a quality P5 head and it would work with the RITTER block.

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the victors are 6 to 12 mths away at least ,but there may be a new contender in sb heads soon that will be up there with the w5/indys ,time will tell

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If you order the heads correctly or use a good Indy dealer (like me ) yes they can work on a 48° block.
No need to go with the magnum style block because if you plan on a hyd. roller Hughes lifters are a better platform for all out power vs. stock type lifters.
Brian

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