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Re: Whatchoodoinferran OIL PAN ? [Re: Supercuda] #1155608
01/14/12 12:45 AM
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How does that LA pan fit the early A bodies?




I think it has very good possibilities. I think Milodon said someone was going to try it on a 63-66 A-body.

I've got some pics with some measurement under a 66 A-body with stock LA pan...










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Re: Whatchoodoinferran OIL PAN ? [Re: autoxcuda] #1155609
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Not sure what that pan is stock for, but it isn't stock for a 65 Cuda.


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Re: Whatchoodoinferran OIL PAN ? [Re: Supercuda] #1155610
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Not sure what that pan is stock for, but it isn't stock for a 65 Cuda.




Your right. That's an generic pan. But the Milodon pan core is base of that 70 up type pan. It seems to be working in this 66 Cuda though.

The idea is to get the relative distances off the picture and apply it to the Milodon pan.

Re: Whatchoodoinferran OIL PAN ? [Re: autoxcuda] #1155611
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Yep, Right now I have a Milodon pan on my Cuda, minimal baffles but more than stock. I also have a pan from an 87 M body, it fits, that I baffled similar to the Milodon one I have. I thought of adding more baffling but my welding skills are not up to thin sheet metal, yet.


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Re: Whatchoodoinferran OIL PAN ? [Re: Supercuda] #1155612
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Yep, Right now I have a Milodon pan on my Cuda, minimal baffles but more than stock. I also have a pan from an 87 M body, it fits, that I baffled similar to the Milodon one I have. I thought of adding more baffling but my welding skills are not up to thin sheet metal, yet.




Which Milodon pan do you have?

Re: Whatchoodoinferran OIL PAN ? [Re: dOoC] #1155613
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Milodon road race pan is probably the best choice currently available. Only thing better in a stock chassis would be a dry sump. There are some nice rear sump SB pans available, but you have to use front steer which is a bunch of work.

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Re: Whatchoodoinferran OIL PAN ? [Re: autoxcuda] #1155614
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Yep, Right now I have a Milodon pan on my Cuda, minimal baffles but more than stock. I also have a pan from an 87 M body, it fits, that I baffled similar to the Milodon one I have. I thought of adding more baffling but my welding skills are not up to thin sheet metal, yet.




Which Milodon pan do you have?




Milodon 30750


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Re: Whatchoodoinferran OIL PAN ? [Re: Supercuda] #1155615
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Yep, Right now I have a Milodon pan on my Cuda, minimal baffles but more than stock. I also have a pan from an 87 M body, it fits, that I baffled similar to the Milodon one I have. I thought of adding more baffling but my welding skills are not up to thin sheet metal, yet.




Which Milodon pan do you have?




Milodon 30750




That's the stock one with the added baffle in the back. That will have the same (or extremely close) outside dimensions as the chrome pan I posted pictures of above.

If someone in So Cal had a loose 63-66 K-frame with motor mounts I could take it over to Milodon and check hands on fitment.

Re: Whatchoodoinferran OIL PAN ? [Re: autoxcuda] #1155616
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But...the B/RB pan only fits an E or B...surgery on the K-Member required for an A body. Or so I'm told




Mike Mosley did it and it didn't sound like a ton of mods.

Here's a big block Milodon pan in the ultra tight 73-76 A-body spool K-member. A 67-72 biscuit K-member might take less driver side mods.

Mike Mosley's BB Milodon Road Race pan in a 73-76 A-body Spool type K-member

PASSENGER SIDE




DRIVER SIDE








I wonder if it will be possible for me to pull the engine out the top with the K-frame in? This was done in response to the previous pan bottoming on a huge pothole and ripping the drain plug half out. Four quarts on the ground in about a minute. I suspended the engine, removed the K, swapped in the pan and started measuring and trimming. Then burned in a few pieces of reinforcement with the stick welder.


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Re: Whatchoodoinferran OIL PAN ? [Re: 68440fish] #1155617
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I wonder if it will be possible for me to pull the engine out the top with the K-frame in? This was done in response to the previous pan bottoming on a huge pothole and ripping the drain plug half out. Four quarts on the ground in about a minute. I suspended the engine, removed the K, swapped in the pan and started measuring and trimming. Then burned in a few pieces of reinforcement with the stick welder.




Mike.

I put my smallblock in from the top. No headers and no trans. Would not be able to do it with trans still on it.



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Re: Whatchoodoinferran OIL PAN ? [Re: autoxcuda] #1155618
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So would you guys say the pan works and does what it is intended to? Andy you mentioned some control issues, were they oil pressure loss with that Valiant pullin some G's? Or just typical leaks and/or valve cover breather issues?


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Re: Whatchoodoinferran OIL PAN ? [Re: 72Swinger] #1155619
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So would you guys say the pan works and does what it is intended to? Andy you mentioned some control issues, were they oil pressure loss with that Valiant pullin some G's? Or just typical leaks and/or valve cover breather issues?




IIRC, that was with his custom Charlie's pan. Car went out to PIR, kicked butt, but after so many laps would loose oil pressure. Read down this page. I don't think Tim Werner has had his Valiant out with the new Milodon pan? AndyF?

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On my car, with the old motor with stock pan and old suspension (still all upgraded) I had a pro driver drove my car at the big track at Willow Springs he sucked the pan dry.

He drove my car last April on same track with the new Milodon pan and about 200 more horsepower (seriously the old motor was tired) AND full Hotchkis TVS with 1.12 T-bars and there were no oil pressure issues whatsoever. He even over revved it by tossing it in neutral because the gearing is pretty still and thought it was in 2nd. I guarentee he was pulling more G's in the corner, coming of the corner with more HP/TQ, and pulling more revs at the end of the long straight because he could hit a higher top speed.

I also went dead sideways through the backstretch for about 200 yards. Motor died. Fired it back up and oil pressure was fine.

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Re: Whatchoodoinferran OIL PAN ? [Re: autoxcuda] #1155620
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Right now I am trying to figure out how to clear my headers, this is the newer milodon 581 pan, got it directly from them. I am going to run a solid line to the pump cover because I just dont trust a hose that close to the exhaust. Tim

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Re: Whatchoodoinferran OIL PAN ? [Re: dOoC] #1155621
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I am running the new Milodon road race pan on my small block.

Re: Whatchoodoinferran OIL PAN ? [Re: boydsdodge] #1155622
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I will be getting one for my big block as soon as I recover from my recent purchases


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Re: Whatchoodoinferran OIL PAN ? [Re: dOoC] #1155623
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What am I using?
Stock pans with my own baffles. The biggest problem is that the sump is shallow (A/LA engine). In this respect the generic stock style Milodon pan is slightly worse starting point than many of the OEM pans (although it does look nicer). The best guidance is in the old DC catalog and Martin books, but there's no blueprint per se. After some experimentation, I've found the sump baffle suggested in MA (a magazine) a few years back sits too low to be very effective. Placing baffles higher, or running a second set on the sides will better trap the oil.

My only serious low pressure issues arose when the pickup was not properly located at the bottom of the sump. The accusump definately helped save the situation that weekend. Although I use the accusump, it brings its own host of issues and there were a number of years where I didn't use it.

I think E-berg used a Charlie's pan on the Green brick, and so have some vintage racers. Others have used custom steel pans or the Kevco (non street use since it sits a little lower). Beckman used a steel pan on the rallye cuda since using readily availble gaskets was a requirement. Rallye is a bit differnt than pavement, and honestly I think WRT oil control autocross is a bit different than track. Unless there's a 'skid pad' maneuver, autocross generally doesn't keep oil to any one side for a long time. However, in autocross the car is rapidly and violently changing direction so the oil is sloshing like crazy compared to road course.

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