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S'alright!

The 72 V-code Runner can stand on it's own in many circles.

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While I generally dont favor the bodystyle(thought the 71/72 Charger was the best looking of those B cars-especially the 71 R/T ). THIS particular car is in a class all its own. It should command a HEAVY premium over a comparable 71.

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It should command a HEAVY premium over a comparable 71.

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E-bodies did not fare well during the 71-72 transition either, IMO and others would agree. I think E-bodies fared far worse in the 71-72 transition than the B-Bodies did.

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Numbers matching is not significant to me when we are talking low production numbers (below 50) for a high performance car. They were built to be abused and most were and most lost their original engines. Expect it was abused and damaged and if they are matching it is a bonus. ie no penalty or discount for NOM.

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while i can enjoy the fact that its an end of an era,,, i'm not going to slop down 45K, to own it to stick it in my garage, and brag to everyone, that i have the last (maybe) of the v coded cars,,, not my cup of tea,, i'm sure there are alot of buyers,, who need to swag,, some nuttys, to impress there friends,,,, thats who your buyers are going to be...(watch Barrett Jackson,, you'll spot them) and good for them,, if i was loaded,, i buy pure cars. the motor missing is a downer for me,, but i can appreciate what the cars is,, but my money will stay in the 68-70 b bodies,and 70-71 e bodies cars.

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How can you say NOM is not going to be a penalty in this case? The only people interested in spending big bucks on this car are going to be the numbers nazis, and if they're paying all these big bucks for a car with some special numbers stamped in a few pieces of sheet metal, why wouldn't NOM be a penalty? If you're selling a car with a non-original 318 in it, okay whatever, nobody cares that much. But when it's the last 6-pack car and the original engine is missing, that is a bit of a let down.

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How can you say NOM is not going to be a penalty in this case? The only people interested in spending big bucks on this car are going to be the numbers nazis, and if they're paying all these big bucks for a car with some special numbers stamped in a few pieces of sheet metal, why wouldn't NOM be a penalty? If you're selling a car with a non-original 318 in it, okay whatever, nobody cares that much. But when it's the last 6-pack car and the original engine is missing, that is a bit of a let down.

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A bit of a let down? sure OK. Worth less than with the original motor? sure, I'll agree to that too.......but now go find one WITH the original motor.......oh wait, nevermind there aren't any. The car is the only 1972 440-6 Roadrunner there is whether it has the original block or not.

This whole discussion makes me wonder just how many Hemi and 440-6 cars still have their original motors.... Oh well, as I've said before; I think the value that Mopar guys place on the #'s block is a carryover from the Corvette world where it actually meant something useful.



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E-bodies did not fare well during the 71-72 transition either, IMO and others would agree. I think E-bodies fared far worse in the 71-72 transition than the B-Bodies did.

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How so? The cuda had a different grille and tail lights, but the changes were not bad looking by any means. The challenger got the sad mouth grille, but I would say that is comparable to the bulky looking rear bumper the 72 plymouths had.

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Again- just IMO regardng E-body vs. B-Body for MY 1972 changes, based on my feelings and others I've talked with over the years. I believe many 1971 Plymouth B-Body people would 'live with' a 1972. I do not believe as many 1971 Plymouth E-Body owners would 'live with' a 1972. Nothing against any cars, or any years. Nothing more to say: this thread needs to remain on course.

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Numbers matching is not significant to me when we are talking low production numbers (below 50) for a high performance car. They were built to be abused and most were and most lost their original engines. Expect it was abused and damaged and if they are matching it is a bonus. ie no penalty or discount for NOM.

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How can you say NOM is not going to be a penalty in this case? The only people interested in spending big bucks on this car are going to be the numbers nazis, and if they're paying all these big bucks for a car with some special numbers stamped in a few pieces of sheet metal, why wouldn't NOM be a penalty? If you're selling a car with a non-original 318 in it, okay whatever, nobody cares that much. But when it's the last 6-pack car and the original engine is missing, that is a bit of a let down.

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I'll allow BS27R1B to respond should he desire.

I do agree that NOM is a penalty, but the car in question here is still quite valuable regardless.

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How can you say NOM is not going to be a penalty in this case? The only people interested in spending big bucks on this car are going to be the numbers nazis, and if they're paying all these big bucks for a car with some special numbers stamped in a few pieces of sheet metal, why wouldn't NOM be a penalty? If you're selling a car with a non-original 318 in it, okay whatever, nobody cares that much. But when it's the last 6-pack car and the original engine is missing, that is a bit of a let down.

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This has been pretty well addressed by the posts above this one but let me add this. How many low production high performance cars have you chased down? I can assure you that Dave's point that most muscle cars from the 60s and 70s do not retain their original engine is true in my limited experiance.

Of the muscle cars I have owned, the majority had non matching engines. This started with my first car back in 1972. Some day I will sit down and try and figure out the percentage breakdown but off the top of my head I would guesstimate that less than 40% of my cars have had their original numbers matching engines. I have owned a number of Cars, mostly Mopars but a healthy number of GM products and a few Fords. Several run of the mill pieces and a few fairly low production models as well.

Keep in mind I started playing with these cars long before the internet and long before the big three reproduced any blocks, heads or crate engines. I used to buy pretty well any hemi part I could lay my hands on because you simply had little choice and selection was very limited. I had friends in Detroit asking all of their friends and relatives to see what parts they managed to hoard or knew about.

There were many more Hemi and 440-6 cars running around with 383s in them than you could shake a stick at. Not only were original engines destroyed in the line of high performance duty, many were removed during the energy crisis due to their 8-10 MPG. Do you know how hard it was to sell a high performance car in the mid and late 70s? My first hemi car was for sale for almost a year before I happened along on vacation in sunny California to look at it. The seller was very motivated and was not going to let me leave without it.

So I guess I became accustomed to settling for non numbers original musclecars. As long as the VIN and body numbers were good I was on it. It is pretty easy to sit back today and demand numbers matching this and that from the comfort of your computer screen.

Here is one for you numbers matching dreamers. Would you pass on a 1970 Hemi Challenger RT 4 speed car that was a running car with a 383? Ok it only had a rust-free fender tag, no sheet that I could find.

Maybe to you guys I should have passed but I paid him his $800 and it home.

I would have paid more but it was a non-shaker car!

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My OPINION is that Andy Masny or Tom Cannon must own this car! Knowing these guys, they would do the car it's proper justice. C'mon guys, start selling your junk and get it going.. This is the Holy Grail..

MB

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I would love too Mike, can I borrow a couple bucks? Maybe Larry would like a U code B5 sunroof car in trade?

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I think this car is gonna go way high off the charts for my budget. I dont like the glue on looking marker lights, anyways.

I thought about it though.... Until the poll started at 50k

Im finishing my unorthidox 72 car (with sunk in 71 markers)
And my ratrod mcode bee...

On the other hand , buying this car would be a great instant divorce

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THIS particular car is in a class all its own. It should command a HEAVY premium over a comparable 71.

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Agreed x2

Mike.

P.S. I was busy cleaning my glass house today.

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Wow, simply the most ridiculous post I have seen in 14 years on this site...

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Besides skipping over the fury 6 pack posts, ( dont get me wrong , that would be a VeRY desirable car to own )
This is the first time ive tuned in for 2 nights in a row.

If it was a pink 72 cuda six pack post, itd be 29 pages by now.

Crush all the cudas / someday someone will regret not jumping on this car

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A bit of a let down? sure OK. Worth less than with the original motor? sure, I'll agree to that too.......but now go find one WITH the original motor.......oh wait, nevermind there aren't any. The car is the only 1972 440-6 Roadrunner there is whether it has the original block or not.

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COMPARABLES, COMPARABLES, COMPARABLES!

Until there are other V code '72 Road Runners discovered, the NOM is not that big a big deal.

Sure, it would be worth more with the original engine.

Sure, it would make a difference if there was a better example available. BUT THERE ISN'T! End of story.

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E-bodies did not fare well during the 71-72 transition either, IMO and others would agree. I think E-bodies fared far worse in the 71-72 transition than the B-Bodies did.

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How so? The cuda had a different grille and tail lights, but the changes were not bad looking by any means. The challenger got the sad mouth grille, but I would say that is comparable to the bulky looking rear bumper the 72 plymouths had.

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72E, small block
72B big block

That alone is enough, and don't bother with low-compression, smoged up. BB trumps SB here.

EDIT: Great story. Guess they were all looking at you like you had a horn growing out of your head...

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I have to tell you a story, reading all the posts about my car made me start thinking. I guess I always knew I had a rare car but I guess sometimes I take that for granted. I remember probably in maybe 1995 I was at Chryslers at Carlisle at a seminar that Galen was giving and out of the blue someone asked about72 6 pack cars. Galen toldhim that there were 3 that they knew of, then the person asked where they were and he said that the 1 charger was at slobes the other charger was in Michigan and then he said if you want to know about the Road Runner the Owner is sitting in the back. It was kind of weird to see all these people turn around and look back, at first I looked behind me like I was looking also then I realized that I was in the last row. But it was weird to see all those people look at you like wow the car actually exists. I think it took me over an hour to get out of there after that seminar. But of course who doesn't like talking about thier cars.

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Great story Larry!