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Re: WIW 72 roadrunner 6pack car [Re: Max Wedge Savoy] #1138031
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I fully agree with your end of an era statement but the rest is comparing apples to oranges. As we all know the E bodies remained relatively the same.




Apples to oranges? I am speaking 1971 vs. 1972, as I believe most are when commenting about side marker lights, etc: not comparing 1970 vs. 1972. That was the point. E-bodies did not fare well during the 71-72 transition either, IMO and others would agree. I think E-bodies fared far worse in the 71-72 transition than the B-Bodies did.

TomQuad- Not seeking to polute or go off topic- the point was to provide a perspective only. No was intended about the 72 Hemi Cuda: we can all re-visit that topic later (and I used "urban legend" only because of the doubters in the hobby).


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1970 Coronet RT: 440/4 speed, A34, N96
1970 Coronet RT: 440/auto, A36, N96
1970 Road Runner convertible: 383/4 speed TX9/D6XW
1970 GTX: 440+6/727, A32, N96
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Re: WIW 72 roadrunner 6pack car [Re: HPMike] #1138032
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Nice thing about having a mopar in the "higher echelon" is that you can always sell it for good money and buy something that you really want or trade it for something that you really want. Or take the money and run. Which is up to you. I think the OP has a good idea of what it would take to buy the car; I think he wants to draw some interest-kudos for you becuase it is working!
Great post and hope you get the most out of it and I hope it stays in North America. Not trying to offend anyone oversees however, I would like to see the car at a show someday.

Re: WIW 72 roadrunner 6pack car [Re: 67plymouthman] #1138033
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My OPINION is that Andy Masny or Tom Cannon must own this car! Knowing these guys, they would do the car it's proper justice. C'mon guys, start selling your junk and get it going.. This is the Holy Grail..

MB

Re: WIW 72 roadrunner 6pack car [Re: Moparlar] #1138034
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Interesting car and history behind it, neat stuff. Thanks for sharing the info/pictures Larry

What ever the cars future may be I hope a "showroom fresh" restoration is in it. It certainly deserves one

Re: WIW 72 roadrunner 6pack car [Re: nomore65BelvJim] #1138035
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Not a big fan of the 71 and newer B-bodies however I can appreciate the significance of this car.

Add the decent color and sunroof this car has very good potential.

The OP has some idea of the value to him and it would appear to be well north of $35,000 as he did not negotiate a sale on two offers of that amount. I do not think those offers were too far off the market at the present time for a project like this.

Numbers matching is not significant to me when we are talking low production numbers (below 50) for a high performance car. They were built to be abused and most were and most lost their original engines. Expect it was abused and damaged and if they are matching it is a bonus. ie no penalty or discount for NOM.

Assumming this car only needs light body work I would suggest the project would be worth up to $50,000 to the right buyer that had to have it.

The problem you run into for most potential buyers would be that adding the restoration cost to the entry price would push the investment in this car to a level where they would have a very broad range of choices of some awesome cars.

Awesome car and I hope it gets back on the road soon.


'.. it was long ago and it was far away, and it was so much better than it is today..'
Jim Steinman
Re: WIW 72 roadrunner 6pack car [Re: HPMike] #1138036
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My OPINION is that Andy Masny or Tom Cannon must own this car! Knowing these guys, they would do the car it's proper justice. C'mon guys, start selling your junk and get it going.. This is the Holy Grail..

MB




Running 11's with it and looking bone stock while doing so?


Re: WIW 72 roadrunner 6pack car [Re: 70440+6bbl] #1138037
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the question being,, when did those offers come? before the burst?2007? for someone to throw 35-45K, at a non matching v code 1972? be pretty hard,, in my eyes, i'd be picking up a A12 project for 30k, or hemi car for 30-60K, or winged car,
the next owner,, is going to be a 71-72 lover,, and as posted earlier,, it will good to a good home,, not a flipper. (but money talks) or to someone who Has to have it. cool car..
now get out and rack that thing up!! and post more pics!


Re: WIW 72 roadrunner 6pack car [Re: BS27R1B] #1138038
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A 100% concourse restoration will put this car at a stature most mopars would only dream of obtaining and a price tag to match. Look at your truly expensive collector cars they have notoriety and low production numbers. This car has both in spades. I say it's a once in life time opportunity and I hope Larry does not let it pass him by.


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Re: WIW 72 roadrunner 6pack car [Re: dannysbee] #1138039
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HOW much would YOU MAX pay RIGHT NOW. with the money you have, net 30 days payment due.

HOw much Would you Max PAY for this car?
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Re: WIW 72 roadrunner 6pack car [Re: 68427vette] #1138040
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68427vette you ain't got a clue, you already demonstrated that by your other post. Possibly this will help. This car would be the 69 ZL1 Corvette in corvette circles. The 69 corvette is not my favorite body style vette either but add the ZL1 and it makes all the difference.


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Re: WIW 72 roadrunner 6pack car [Re: HPMike] #1138041
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My OPINION is that Andy Masny or Tom Cannon must own this car! Knowing these guys, they would do the car it's proper justice. C'mon guys, start selling your junk and get it going.. This is the Holy Grail..

MB




I would love too Mike, can I borrow a couple bucks? Maybe Larry would like a U code B5 sunroof car in trade?

Re: WIW 72 roadrunner 6pack car [Re: scatpacktom] #1138042
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Since many bring up this is a 72 and even being what it is makes it worth less then some....what about the Red 73 Pilot Charger Car complete and running for approx 10k here on moparts.

Of course not a V code car but a rare car, and seems it was or is a hard sell at 10k.

With this 72 not having the org motor ect at 35 plus K I must ask where is the line drawn on incorrect cars of any body style.

As time goes on it seems more and more are willing to accept a non matching car, a clone when in my simple opinion all these cars are like a watered down drink.

Is the car really worth the big money without the org motor?

I really feel the only mopars still worth the big money are the correct # matching, fender tag correct cars because they have earned there worth either by luck, or care of the prior owner.

All the rest is just the watered down drink....As much as I like and would like to own the 72 here, isnt it really one would be buying whats left of the last 72 v code car as in reality isnt it just part of the org car it was at one time.

Of coures another correct unstamped "warrenty" block could pop up but is there facts to support this on the majority of cars with this claim...no.

What people feel the car is worth and what one is will to lay out in cash is very much wo different things.

I say just as others, yes ebay sucks but its a good way to gauge the market value world wide...Id toss it on the bag and let it run with a high reserve, your highest bidder clearly will be the one who wants the car the most and if it dont hit your reserve you still have a real world figure to consider.

Re: WIW 72 roadrunner 6pack car [Re: quick77rt ] #1138043
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Wow, simply the most ridiculous post I have seen in 14 years on this site...

Re: WIW 72 roadrunner 6pack car [Re: 70440+6bbl] #1138044
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Wow, simply the most ridiculous post I have seen in 14 years on this site...




You don't read much then , or at least not much posted by quickie ..


Re: WIW 72 roadrunner 6pack car [Re: quick77rt ] #1138045
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Question????

Since many bring up this is a 72 and even being what it is makes it worth less then some....what about the Red 73 Pilot Charger Car complete and running for approx 10k here on moparts.

Of course not a V code car but a rare car, and seems it was or is a hard sell at 10k.

With this 72 not having the org motor ect at 35 plus K I must ask where is the line drawn on incorrect cars of any body style.

As time goes on it seems more and more are willing to accept a non matching car, a clone when in my simple opinion all these cars are like a watered down drink.

Is the car really worth the big money without the org motor?

I really feel the only mopars still worth the big money are the correct # matching, fender tag correct cars because they have earned there worth either by luck, or care of the prior owner.

All the rest is just the watered down drink....As much as I like and would like to own the 72 here, isnt it really one would be buying whats left of the last 72 v code car as in reality isnt it just part of the org car it was at one time.

Of coures another correct unstamped "warrenty" block could pop up but is there facts to support this on the majority of cars with this claim...no.

What people feel the car is worth and what one is will to lay out in cash is very much wo different things.

I say just as others, yes ebay sucks but its a good way to gauge the market value world wide...Id toss it on the bag and let it run with a high reserve, your highest bidder clearly will be the one who wants the car the most and if it dont hit your reserve you still have a real world figure to consider.





Oh what the heck, I'm bored anyway;

- there is no comparison whatsoever to the '73 car you are referring to for several reasons: 1) '72's are the same car as '71's except for MINOR cosmetic changes whereas '73's are .....well not and are way less desireable. 2) One is a 440-6 car and the other isn't. 3) Pilot cars, first and lasts, etc. are interesting but the '72 V code car is worth alot because it's one of 2,3 or 4 built and it's the only one left as far as we know.

- A clone is a totally different thing than a NOM car. A coronet deluxe dressed up like a Superbee is a clone, a Superbee missing it's original motor is still a Superbee. The whole #'s thing is WAY overblown with Mopars.......a 383 is a 383, a 440 is a 440 and a 426 street hemi is a 426 street hemi....all of them are pretty much the same and there are no special blocks and other things like Brand X hipo motors have compared to the low perf. stuff. PLUS Mopars have the engine right in the VIN so you don't need a #'s block to tell you what you have. An original FT, Broadcast sheet or other documentation is a million times more important than the #'s motor IMO. .....and for the record my 440-6 car has the numbers motor.....hope I don't window the block racing it.

- there is no "what's left of the last '72 V code car", it is a car that appears alot more solid than most.


.....other than all that, I agree with you completely!


Dave


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Re: WIW 72 roadrunner 6pack car [Re: quick77rt ] #1138046
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Since many bring up this is a 72 and even being what it is makes it worth less then some....what about the Red 73 Pilot Charger Car complete and running for approx 10k here on moparts.




What about this car?
1) Not a big block car
2) Not a car having a rare and desireable motor that was briefly offered
3) Not a car any different than the 10,000+ 73 Chargers made.

It is a cool piece- but is not a fair comparison in the least, and that should be quite apparent.

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With this 72 not having the org motor ect at 35 plus K I must ask where is the line drawn on incorrect cars of any body style.




Incorrect? What here is “incorrect”? The motor is missing- but the car as built is not incorrect, erroneous, fake, fabricated or whatever.

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Is the car really worth the big money without the org motor?



When it is one-of-(less than maybe 10?): yes. If this needs further clarification as to why, it’s doubtful anyone here can help you understand.


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1969 GTX: 440/4 speed, TX9/TX9, A34, N96
1970 Super Bee: 383/4 speed, B5/B7
1970 Coronet RT: 440/4 speed, A34, N96
1970 Coronet RT: 440/auto, A36, N96
1970 Road Runner convertible: 383/4 speed TX9/D6XW
1970 GTX: 440+6/727, A32, N96
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Re: WIW 72 roadrunner 6pack car [Re: dannysbee] #1138047
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68427vette you ain't got a clue, you already demonstrated that by your other post. Possibly this will help. This car would be the 69 ZL1 Corvette in corvette circles. The 69 corvette is not my favorite body style vette either but add the ZL1 and it makes all the difference.




No offense but that is nowhere near a comparison.

Just 2 ZL-1 Corvettes ever built and far more specialized and exotic than a 440-6 car.

They are also sought after by probably the biggest(by numbers) segment of the collector car hobby. Not to mention probably the most affluent, on average, segment as well.

Oh and did I mention probably the most organized segment(NCRS) as well.


'.. it was long ago and it was far away, and it was so much better than it is today..'
Jim Steinman
Re: WIW 72 roadrunner 6pack car [Re: BS27R1B] #1138048
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I probably went a little over board. But hopefully I made my point. The car is significant, and not just a 72 six pack GTX with a missing engine.


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Re: WIW 72 roadrunner 6pack car [Re: BS27R1B] #1138049
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yea,, i get you point,,, and agree,, NO NEVER A ZL1, or ZL2, or L88,,, by far. its a 1972 440/ 6 pack.. never factory raced, blaaa bllaa blaa. like I said,, its a cool car,, not my cup of tea at 45K,, and not my cup at 15K. but i can still enjoy what it was. a 1972 440/6 pack, end of an era, the BIG TURDD ERA OF CARS , gas crunch, etc
now if its was the LAST HEMI!! Now we are talking, $45K-75K unrestored , i'd start breaking my daughters piggy banks!!



on the top end what is a restored big block 72 worth? i'd add 15K-20K ontoop of that car, for the motor upgrade to a 440/6,, then a few bucks for the "last one" till another one show up.....

just tell us your keeping it,,,

you do know its FREE to list on EBAG,, just have to pay if it sells...

Re: WIW 72 roadrunner 6pack car [Re: dannysbee] #1138050
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S'alright!

The 72 V-code Runner can stand on it's own in many circles.


'.. it was long ago and it was far away, and it was so much better than it is today..'
Jim Steinman
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