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70 cuda blackout ? #1133280 12/13/11 01:18 PM 12/13/11 01:18 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,062 Western New York sixpackbee OP master
sixpackbee OP master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,062 Western New York	On the EF8 70 Cuda I have been working on had evidence that the rocker pinch weld area along the bottom had the black out done. Being F8 the cowl and rad support did not. Question: Were the black out treatments done in a different area of the plant as all cars, minus F8, B7, & black, got the cowl/rad support treatment and only rocker moulding cars got the black on the bottom? Or was this car a screw up and should not have had the rocker stuff done at either? Just a curiosity to me. Last edited by sixpackbee; 12/13/11 01:35 PM. 1959 Bugeye Sprite 1967 Charger Black L code 1967 Coronet R/T Convert Green 440 auto bought from original owner 1968 Charger R/T Bronze 440 4 spd console AM/FM 1969 Super Bee WM21H B5 A40 D21 N96 1969 Barracuda Formula S 340 Convert pilot car 1969 Hemi Road Runner RM23J D32 Omaha orange 4.10 Dana N96 N85 1970 Super Bee WM23N FE5 V1X 3.91 axle package, N96 1970 Road Runner RM21N B3 V1X D13 1971 MG Midget 1971 Road Runner RM23H GW3, A57 1972 Road Runner RM23P FY1, D21

Re: 70 cuda blackout ? [Re: sixpackbee] #1133281 12/13/11 01:33 PM 12/13/11 01:33 PM
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1_WILD_RT Management Trainee Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows?	Or was the black out sprayed from a spray can by an owner that didn't like seeing green paint on the pinch weld area.... I know when I was younger I sprayed allot of pinch welds.. "The Armies of our ancestors were lucky, in that they were not trailed by a second army of pencil pushers."

Re: 70 cuda blackout ? [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #1133282 12/13/11 01:53 PM 12/13/11 01:53 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,022 Farmington, CT KISSAlien I Live Here
KISSAlien I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,022 Farmington, CT	I've seen original Black cars with the blackout, so that rule is not a hard and fast rule. Especially when you consider that EB7 isn't all that dark.

Re: 70 cuda blackout ? [Re: KISSAlien] #1133283 12/13/11 01:56 PM 12/13/11 01:56 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,022 Farmington, CT KISSAlien I Live Here
KISSAlien I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,022 Farmington, CT	PS> Since only the pinch weld is to be painted black, isn't there a considerable gap between the bottom of the rocker molding and the pinch weld that would be body color? I know that's the case on my Challenger.

Re: 70 cuda blackout ? [Re: KISSAlien] #1133284 12/13/11 01:57 PM 12/13/11 01:57 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,022 Farmington, CT KISSAlien I Live Here
KISSAlien I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,022 Farmington, CT	PPS> As an additional aside, my FM3 Challenger didn't have the cowl blackout.

Re: 70 cuda blackout ? [Re: KISSAlien] #1133285 12/13/11 02:35 PM 12/13/11 02:35 PM
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70440+6bbl master 7 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,269 NY	On this '70 'Cuda, the pinchweld had the blackout and you can see how the overspray hit the floorpan over the FK5 paint. 6965175-1970vcodeblackoutB05.jpg (587 downloads)

Re: 70 cuda blackout ? [Re: sixpackbee] #1133286 12/13/11 11:45 PM 12/13/11 11:45 PM
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RoadRunner master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,141 East Aurora (Buffalo) NY	Quote: On the EF8 70 Cuda I have been working on had evidence that the rocker pinch weld area along the bottom had the black out done. Being F8 the cowl and rad support did not. Question: Were the black out treatments done in a different area of the plant as all cars, minus F8, B7, & black, got the cowl/rad support treatment and only rocker moulding cars got the black on the bottom? Or was this car a screw up and should not have had the rocker stuff done at either? Just a curiosity to me. I have a 70 Challenger, early build, that is painted EF8 with blacked out cowl. So some darker colors did get blackout. There is evidence of black out on pinch weld too. But there is no front on the car to verify core support blackout. 68 Road Runner (383/4speed, post car w/decor pkg) - Major Project 69 Road Runner w/472 Hemi & 4 speed. 70 Challenger R/T SE EF8 w/ V9J, U - A32 - Major Project 2023 Ford Mach 1

Re: 70 cuda blackout ? [Re: KISSAlien] #1133287 12/14/11 03:21 AM 12/14/11 03:21 AM
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Barnabas_Kriss master B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,679 Maple Ridge, BC, Canada	Quote: PPS> As an additional aside, my FM3 Challenger didn't have the cowl blackout. As far as I know the cowl blackout was done only for part of the 70 model year, up to about April or May, so late 70's don't have it.

Re: 70 cuda blackout ? [Re: Barnabas_Kriss] #1133288 12/14/11 01:51 PM 12/14/11 01:51 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,022 Farmington, CT KISSAlien I Live Here
KISSAlien I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,022 Farmington, CT	Quote: Quote: PPS> As an additional aside, my FM3 Challenger didn't have the cowl blackout. As far as I know the cowl blackout was done only for part of the 70 model year, up to about April or May, so late 70's don't have it. The SPD on mine is 324.

Re: 70 cuda blackout ? [Re: KISSAlien] #1133289 12/15/11 01:44 PM 12/15/11 01:44 PM
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rayztoy super stock R Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,171 Richmond, VA	My 70 LA plant cuda SPD 326 has cowl and pinchweld blackout.

Re: 70 cuda blackout ? [Re: KISSAlien] #1133290 12/19/11 05:58 PM 12/19/11 05:58 PM
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1970mopar master Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,938 California	Quote: PPS> As an additional aside, my FM3 Challenger didn't have the cowl blackout. FM3 was a late addition color available in, if I recall, April and May 1970 only. Beginning as early as April 1970 (if my memory serves me correct)and continuing thru the end of the 1970 Model year Dodge and Plymouth began phasing out the Cowl blackout procedure on E-bodies regardless of body color. Most May, June and all July built 1970 E Bodies should not be blacked out on their Cowls. This continued as standard practice for the 71 model year as well. I'm sure there are exceptions to this... Last edited by 1970mopar; 12/19/11 06:02 PM.

Re: 70 cuda blackout ? [Re: 1970mopar] #1133291 12/19/11 06:27 PM 12/19/11 06:27 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,022 Farmington, CT KISSAlien I Live Here
KISSAlien I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,022 Farmington, CT	Quote: FM3 was a late addition color available in, if I recall, April and May 1970 only. Starting in February thru the end of the model year. Quote: Beginning as early as April 1970 (if my memory serves me correct)and continuing thru the end of the 1970 Model year Dodge and Plymouth began phasing out the Cowl blackout procedure on E-bodies regardless of body color. Most May, June and all July built 1970 E Bodies should not be blacked out on their Cowls. This continued as standard practice for the 71 model year as well. I'm sure there are exceptions to this... My car was scheduled to be built in late March.

Re: 70 cuda blackout ? [Re: RoadRunner] #1133292 12/19/11 07:14 PM 12/19/11 07:14 PM
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Beebuzzn mopar B Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 458 PNW	My early build 9/28 SPD Challenger A66 (Hamtramck) has the M 25 body sill moldings and had no signs of black out in pinch weld area, but does have upper cowl area and core support and behind grille area black out. Last edited by EV2A66; 12/19/11 07:54 PM.

Re: 70 cuda blackout ? [Re: Beebuzzn] #1133293 12/20/11 05:03 PM 12/20/11 05:03 PM
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RP's R/T's super stock Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 774 SE Wisconsin, USA	I had a B7 car, October 69 build. It had blackout on cowl and grill. Can't say for sure about the pinch weld based on the condition of the car at the time. I rarely see it commented on or reproduced by guys doing e-body restorations but I have documented a number of instances (mostly lighter colored cars) where the out-facing portion of the frame rail in the front wheel wells are painted black. Primarily the area just behind the control arms. This is easily seen as well. In a lot of cases people do this area with undercoating, when in reality it was painted...at least in a number of cars I have seen. Not sure what others may comment on this.

Re: 70 cuda blackout ? [Re: sixpackbee] #1133294 12/21/11 07:48 AM 12/21/11 07:48 AM
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Cooda mopar Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 453 SC	My FC7 Cuda was a late built car, 7-20-70. You can still see some of the original purple paint with no signs of black on the cowl, but the radiator support was blacked out. Last edited by Cooda; 12/21/11 07:49 AM.

Re: 70 cuda blackout ? [Re: Cooda] #1133295 12/22/11 08:26 PM 12/22/11 08:26 PM
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kielbasa enthusiast K Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 354	interesting - I am currently cleaning the underbody of my AAR, and noticed black overspray on the outer edges of the floorpans and rear side of frame where torsion bars mount.

Re: 70 cuda blackout ? [Re: kielbasa] #1133296 12/23/11 10:17 PM 12/23/11 10:17 PM
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Paul Jacobs super stock P Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,039 INDIANA	Here's a 9/15 LA built Cuda. Original paint car that I did years ago. You can see the pinch weld taped off. 6981659-la1.JPG (561 downloads)

Re: 70 cuda blackout ? [Re: Paul Jacobs] #1133297 12/23/11 10:23 PM 12/23/11 10:23 PM
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Paul Jacobs super stock P Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,039 INDIANA	Here's the lower rad blackout. This photo confirms the radiator blackout was sprayed from the grille opening and not at a 45 degree angle, in a pit, as many claim. Further evidence of this is the fact the top of the valance itself was black as well as the attatching bolts. There is no way these areas could have been reached from a "pit" where undercoating was done-it was at a totally differnet place on the line than blackout. Before he died, I spoke to a painter that worked at St Louis for 20 years and he explained the blackouts were done right after the baking process while the car was still on the jig. 6981673-la5.JPG (485 downloads)

Re: 70 cuda blackout ? [Re: Paul Jacobs] #2289156 04/16/17 11:28 PM 04/16/17 11:28 PM
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cuda dad member Joined: Feb 2014 Posts: 7 Modesto, CA	Our EV2 original paint 1970 'cuda with a SPD of 710 has black on the pinched area although they missed most of the middle on the passenger side.

Re: 70 cuda blackout ? [Re: RoadRunner] #2290241 04/18/17 08:05 PM 04/18/17 08:05 PM
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cataclysm80 master C Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,165 Florida	Originally Posted By RoadRunner I have a 70 Challenger, early build, that is painted EF8 with blacked out cowl. So some darker colors did get blackout. There is evidence of black out on pinch weld too. But there is no front on the car to verify core support blackout. I also have an early build (late August) EF8 70 Challenger that came with the cowl blackout & radiator support blackout. I'm unsure about my pinchwelds since the exterior of the car had a cheap repaint when I got it. A friend has an EF8 Challenger built on the same day as mine, and his car has the cowl, radiator support, & pinchweld all blacked out.

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