Re: Circle Track Racers Enter
[Re: joshking440]
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11/15/11 12:38 AM
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Wisconsin
sjs64polara
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Just wondering how many of the circle track guys and dirt guys use the same engine builders us drag racers use. I know Mike at Muscle Motors build a few....anyone else.
 my guy, NVR builds LOTs of round stuff, mainly Chevy
Yes , winter has started
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Re: Circle Track Racers Enter
[Re: joshking440]
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11/15/11 02:02 AM
11/15/11 02:02 AM
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Adrian, Mi
pro6pakRR
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Just wondering how many of the circle track guys and dirt guys use the same engine builders us drag racers use. I know Mike at Muscle Motors build a few....anyone else.
My engine builder Chuck Noonan,Does a lot of circle track engines.
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Re: Circle Track Racers Enter
[Re: pro6pakRR]
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11/15/11 02:08 AM
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Rock Springs
Bob_Coomer
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My guys pays his bills with dirt motors. They gotta be built correctly thats for sure. Im friends with Some pretty good dirt track racers in my home town.. Black Jack Boggs (RIP) and his son, which is a fine racer himself.
Jack was one of the best, 4x world champ.
Last edited by Bob_Coomer; 11/15/11 02:12 AM.
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Re: Circle Track Racers Enter
[Re: Evil Spirit]
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11/15/11 01:52 PM
11/15/11 01:52 PM
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Northern Indiana
Dunnuck Racing
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I know some shops love the roundy - rounders, but their guys have the higher end stuff and keep a spare in the trailer. Some shops avoid it, saying there's no money in the "claimer" motors and when average racer blows his junk up he needs it for the next weekend which disrupts the shops regular work. 
I agree,but I also see crate engines as a big stab in the back for engine builders.
I built a few roundy round small blocks over the years and they did well. The main difference between building those and drag race engines is in the drivability. Getting too much power can loose races just as easy as not enough. Wearing out a driver with too much on and off the throttle looses races.
Nice smooth torque curves and part throttle drivability for when the caution flag is out is a big deal there.
Keith
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Re: Circle Track Racers Enter
[Re: Dunnuck Racing]
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11/15/11 03:14 PM
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Mt. Vernon, Ohio
dartman366
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I know some shops love the roundy - rounders, but their guys have the higher end stuff and keep a spare in the trailer. Some shops avoid it, saying there's no money in the "claimer" motors and when average racer blows his junk up he needs it for the next weekend which disrupts the shops regular work.
I agree,but I also see crate engines as a big stab in the back for engine builders.
I built a few roundy round small blocks over the years and they did well. The main difference between building those and drag race engines is in the drivability. Getting too much power can loose races just as easy as not enough. Wearing out a driver with too much on and off the throttle looses races.
Nice smooth torque curves and part throttle drivability for when the caution flag is out is a big deal there.
Keith
Kieth, Here's how my builder looks at crate motor's,,someone has to freshen them sooner or later, and he has seen his share of crate motors come in with their share of problem's,he once had a Mopar 410 crate motor come in after having running it for the better part of a season and the owner was quite dissatified with it's performance, brought it in to Terry and some of the thing's he found were just rediculous, and this motor was build by a known builder for Mopar,,long story short,,customer went out and won the next 3 races in a previously un competetive car,, same or worse with the chevy crates. 
Light travels faster than the speed of sound,,,this is why some people seem bright untill you hear them speak.
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Re: Circle Track Racers Enter
[Re: Dunnuck Racing]
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11/15/11 03:19 PM
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Belpre,Ohio
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I build both. Dirt motors are 90% of my business. The past few years, I have not been as busy due to the fact lots of guys have sold out or just quit for awhile due to lack of money. Most of the dirt motors are the "small" block Chevys. In the past, I would do 10-15 motors during the winter. The last couple winters, it is down to 3-5. Summer is usually slow, but that's when I race, so I like that!! 
If you like drag racing, support your local track.
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Re: Circle Track Racers Enter
[Re: joshking440]
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11/15/11 06:49 PM
11/15/11 06:49 PM
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Shelbyville, TN USA
40ford
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There are some engine builders that produce drag, paved oval track, dirt oval track, pulling tractors, etc. But, when you get up a certain level, builders tend to specialize in just one form of racing. Why? Techology and $$$$ are the main reason. For example, in our past life of dirt Super Late Model, the "race for a living" World of Outlaws types would have 10-12 engines in rotation. It takes a large shop to service more than 2-3 of these teams during a season. Why does it require so many engines? For the different types of tracks they compete on----different cubic inches, different torque curves, etc.
At that level, it's not a poor man's hobby!
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