Posted By: joshking440
Circle Track Racers Enter - 11/15/11 04:29 AM
Just wondering how many of the circle track guys and dirt guys use the same engine builders us drag racers use. I know Mike at Muscle Motors build a few....anyone else.
Circle Track Racers Enter
Posted By: sjs64polara
Re: Circle Track Racers Enter - 11/15/11 04:38 AM
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Just wondering how many of the circle track guys and dirt guys use the same engine builders us drag racers use. I know Mike at Muscle Motors build a few....anyone else.
my guy, NVR builds LOTs of round stuff, mainly ChevyYes , winter has started
Posted By: greendart408
Re: Circle Track Racers Enter - 11/15/11 05:57 AM
The super dirt late model that I drive with a season old body (beat). My motor machine guy does a little of it all, mainly all alum dry sump sb chev dirt motors. From my findings a quality machine guy is good at doing all high end race motors being it circle track or drag. He does my machine work on my sb mopar drag car motor also.
Posted By: pro6pakRR
Re: Circle Track Racers Enter - 11/15/11 06:02 AM
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Just wondering how many of the circle track guys and dirt guys use the same engine builders us drag racers use. I know Mike at Muscle Motors build a few....anyone else.
My engine builder Chuck Noonan,Does a lot of circle track engines.
Posted By: Bob_Coomer
Re: Circle Track Racers Enter - 11/15/11 06:08 AM
My guys pays his bills with dirt motors. They gotta be built correctly thats for sure. Im friends with Some pretty good dirt track racers in my home town.. Black Jack Boggs (RIP) and his son, which is a fine racer himself.
Jack was one of the best, 4x world champ.
Jack was one of the best, 4x world champ.
Posted By: Evil Spirit
Re: Circle Track Racers Enter - 11/15/11 06:18 AM
I know some shops love the roundy - rounders, but their guys have the higher end stuff and keep a spare in the trailer. Some shops avoid it, saying there's no money in the "claimer" motors and when average racer blows his junk up he needs it for the next weekend which disrupts the shops regular work. 
Posted By: slippery440
Re: Circle Track Racers Enter - 11/15/11 12:11 PM
I help on a Street Stock car. The only one that runs a mopar 360 motor. The rules stated they could use the W2s for heads and I finally this year talked the owner into using them. Short story after they figured out how to hook the car up they went from 9 th in points to a solid 3rd and if the season was longer they would of been there fighting for first. 
Posted By: MoparforLife
Re: Circle Track Racers Enter - 11/15/11 01:07 PM
Don't race one or own one but have worked on more than a few over the years and seen many new developments. Not all good for the sport or the novice racer to get started and be competitive.
Posted By: bodyworks racing
Re: Circle Track Racers Enter - 11/15/11 01:29 PM
my engine builder ,Doug Domhoff builds a lot of circle track stuff. his son runs a late model.i think good quality machine work and balancing has its place on both sides of the fence
Posted By: tboomer
Re: Circle Track Racers Enter - 11/15/11 01:30 PM
A good friend of mine spends winter and spring building dirt track engines...He has a good rep and has been drag racing since the early 70s..He owns a Car Quest store and I buy a lot of stuff from him. He can usually beat Summit on pricing on smaller stuff. 
Posted By: Dunnuck Racing
Re: Circle Track Racers Enter - 11/15/11 05:52 PM
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I know some shops love the roundy - rounders, but their guys have the higher end stuff and keep a spare in the trailer. Some shops avoid it, saying there's no money in the "claimer" motors and when average racer blows his junk up he needs it for the next weekend which disrupts the shops regular work.
I agree,but I also see crate engines as a big stab in the back for engine builders.
I built a few roundy round small blocks over the years and they did well. The main difference between building those and drag race engines is in the drivability. Getting too much power can loose races just as easy as not enough. Wearing out a driver with too much on and off the throttle looses races.
Nice smooth torque curves and part throttle drivability for when the caution flag is out is a big deal there.
Keith
Posted By: dartman366
Re: Circle Track Racers Enter - 11/15/11 07:14 PM
Quote:Kieth, Here's how my builder looks at crate motor's,,someone has to freshen them sooner or later, and he has seen his share of crate motors come in with their share of problem's,he once had a Mopar 410 crate motor come in after having running it for the better part of a season and the owner was quite dissatified with it's performance, brought it in to Terry and some of the thing's he found were just rediculous, and this motor was build by a known builder for Mopar,,long story short,,customer went out and won the next 3 races in a previously un competetive car,, same or worse with the chevy crates.Quote:
I know some shops love the roundy - rounders, but their guys have the higher end stuff and keep a spare in the trailer. Some shops avoid it, saying there's no money in the "claimer" motors and when average racer blows his junk up he needs it for the next weekend which disrupts the shops regular work.
I agree,but I also see crate engines as a big stab in the back for engine builders.
I built a few roundy round small blocks over the years and they did well. The main difference between building those and drag race engines is in the drivability. Getting too much power can loose races just as easy as not enough. Wearing out a driver with too much on and off the throttle looses races.
Nice smooth torque curves and part throttle drivability for when the caution flag is out is a big deal there.
Keith
Posted By: MoparforLife
Re: Circle Track Racers Enter - 11/15/11 07:15 PM
Around here the WISOTA racing is the going thing and has been for quite a few years. 360 inch limit etc. Not a claimer type of racing. Engines built to hopefully last a few shows. Not many Mopars running but those that do made it known that they are there. A couple of good friends of mine run them and have multiple feature wins and track champion ships.n These guys both are meticulous in there engine builds and roll their own other than the balancing. I have seen and helped them go through several new rocker sets just to get a matched set. These were not Mopar Perfomance sets so don't get off on that tangent.
Heck I have a friend that races Chevies and has been know to do the same. So it isn't just Mopar.
Another friend run mod 4's with a winning 2.2.
Heck I have a friend that races Chevies and has been know to do the same. So it isn't just Mopar.
Another friend run mod 4's with a winning 2.2.
Posted By: CHAPPER
Re: Circle Track Racers Enter - 11/15/11 07:19 PM
I build both. Dirt motors are 90% of my business. The past few years, I have not been as busy due to the fact lots of guys have sold out or just quit for awhile due to lack of money. Most of the dirt motors are the "small" block Chevys. In the past, I would do 10-15 motors during the winter. The last couple winters, it is down to 3-5. Summer is usually slow, but that's when I race, so I like that!!
Posted By: Frito
Re: Circle Track Racers Enter - 11/15/11 07:23 PM
Gary Stanton who builds the Drag Pak engines for Dodge also has built engines for past Mopar sponsered factory racer and Lucas Oil Late Model World Champ Steve Francis. Two Kentucky boys.
Posted By: 40ford
Re: Circle Track Racers Enter - 11/15/11 10:49 PM
There are some engine builders that produce drag, paved oval track, dirt oval track, pulling tractors, etc. But, when you get up a certain level, builders tend to specialize in just one form of racing. Why? Techology and $$$$ are the main reason. For example, in our past life of dirt Super Late Model, the "race for a living" World of Outlaws types would have 10-12 engines in rotation. It takes a large shop to service more than 2-3 of these teams during a season. Why does it require so many engines? For the different types of tracks they compete on----different cubic inches, different torque curves, etc.
At that level, it's not a poor man's hobby!
At that level, it's not a poor man's hobby!
Posted By: Clanton
Re: Circle Track Racers Enter - 11/15/11 10:57 PM
ya think Koffels Place has done a few dirt track engines?! 
Posted By: Evil Spirit
Re: Circle Track Racers Enter - 11/16/11 03:00 AM
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ya think Koffels Place has done a few dirt track engines?!
Not supercharged with a pair of Dominators
