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My 67 Belvedere (which has electronic ignition) has began to die intermittently. I sure don't like to throw parts at a problem w/o diagnosing it, but the car always starts right back up, making troubleshooting near impossible. I am thinking ignition module. Thoughts?


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Re: ignition problem [Re: zrxkawboy] #1109096
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1 check that the ecu is grounded good

2 replace the resistor

3 could be eather ecu or distributor pick up if above does not cure it

Re: ignition problem [Re: zrxkawboy] #1109097
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Hello:
Just a quick tought you might like to check out ALL GROUNDS espcially Engine to chassis/body, Engine to battery, ignition control module ground to chassis/body (I use star washers under mounting screws) some say this not needed. But i have found it helps.
Make sure you are hitting bare metal, I know its tough on the paint job, but paint does not make a good ground. Most Mopar ignition problems can be traced to poor grounds.

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Re: ignition problem [Re: DartGTS] #1109098
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I should have mentioned when I posted that I had removed the ECU mounting screws and checked for a clean connection, and yes, I had used lockwashers when I did the conversion many years ago. Everything looked good. The way I see it, it could be resistor, ECU, pickup coil, or coil. I realize I'll probably have to just start swapping parts, but wondered what was most likely, in your experience. I will test the ECU later at NAPA, but since it's an intrmittent problem, I don't expect anything to show up. Thanks for the replies!


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Re: ignition problem [Re: zrxkawboy] #1109099
11/08/11 11:11 AM
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Thoughts?


If it's doing it at idle take out the idle mixture screws (count # of turns to lightly seated so you can get em back to orig position) and shoot a 2 second blast of ether starting fluid in each hole with the thin red straw. NAPA (& others) can check it but it wont be good and hot so the test would not be valid, it would be if it was dead in the water then a bad ECU would show bad but part time no (it might but prob not). Can you rob another ECU off of one of your other Mopars (nobody has just one) to test it. Do check the reluctor gap. Almost forgot does the box have an orange tint . And there's no other probs ex the dieing at idle as in no missing at higher RPM's etc


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Re: ignition problem [Re: RapidRobert] #1109100
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It doesn't just die at idle, but at any engine speed. There's no miss or anything - it just dies suddenly. Yes, I'll probably swap on a different ECU tonight.


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Re: ignition problem [Re: zrxkawboy] #1109101
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look the fuseable links over real good

Re: ignition problem [Re: zrxkawboy] #1109102
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Do you lose accessories such as headlights too, or just engine power?


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Re: ignition problem [Re: larrymopar360] #1109103
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just engine


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Re: ignition problem [Re: RapidRobert] #1109104
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Almost forgot does the box have an orange tint




I swapped on another ECU tonight, and the problem *seems* to be gone (so far, so good!). Yes, RR, it was an orange box. However, it was the original one that came with the MP electronic ignition kit that I installed in about 1995, so I don't think that's too bad!

I have heard that more recent orange boxes are less reliable, though. Any recommendations for a stock-type ECU?


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Re: ignition problem [Re: zrxkawboy] #1109105
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Any recommendations for a stock-type ECU?


A standard motor products 4 pin iirc a "LX101" but not sure if that # is correct. Actually if a SMP is not easily avail any parts house 4 pinner will work fine and if you want more beef work with dist advance subsystems (initial/total/springs/vac adv) IN ORDER plus a full 12V E coil with no ballast or at least a better coil with a reduced ballast


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