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Re: HEMI in NHRA T/F,F/C,TAD,TAFC [Re: Moe] #1107360
11/06/11 06:49 PM
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Port size & design, valve placement, stronger bottom end all translated into better durability in the 3-4k hp (for the time) range that kept the Hemis reputation up. That coupled with the fact Mopar actually produced an iron block back then for the guys that wanted to run a "budget" (?) fuel car that was actually affordable.
The SOHC motor was a good contender but parts availibility along with its timing change caused issues even in the "low" hp ranks of P/S.
You can dig up lots of old magizines & find Chevy powered F/Cs & T/Fers but the fact is given the quality of the parts & inherent designs of those motors back then (remember there were few if any aftermarket manufacturers) neither Ford nor GM could stay with the Hemi........

Re: HEMI in NHRA T/F,F/C,TAD,TAFC [Re: slantzilla] #1107361
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Because it is the only engine allowed by the NHRA.




Where can I find this in black & white?

Re: HEMI in NHRA T/F,F/C,TAD,TAFC [Re: Moe] #1107362
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NHRA rule book, they send out new one's every year.

Re: HEMI in NHRA T/F,F/C,TAD,TAFC [Re: Moe] #1107363
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Is it true that Bob Glidden put a 340 in a Plymouth Arrow or Dodge Colt in Pro-Stock, and they [NHRA] re-wrote the rule book in that category ?

Re: HEMI in NHRA T/F,F/C,TAD,TAFC [Re: Challenger 1] #1107364
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NHRA rule book, they send out new one's every year.




Thanks, I will get one!

Re: HEMI in NHRA T/F,F/C,TAD,TAFC [Re: Moe] #1107365
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Is it true that Bob Glidden put a 340 in a Plymouth Arrow or Dodge Colt in Pro-Stock, and they [NHRA] re-wrote the rule book in that category ?




During that period in history the NHRA re-wrote the Pro Stock rules about every 90 days. It was called "factoring".

In Glidden's case he had milled the entire valley out of the 340 block and rebuilt it with welded-in chrome moly to change the lifter angle.


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Re: HEMI in NHRA T/F,F/C,TAD,TAFC [Re: slantzilla] #1107366
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I have also heard the Rockers on a ball stud design head is too time consuming for the quick turn arounds required is some racing.

also a string deep skirt block, the crank is set deep in the block so there is a lot of meet around the mains for support.



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Re: HEMI in NHRA T/F,F/C,TAD,TAFC [Re: Moe] #1107367
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Is it true that Bob Glidden put a 340 in a Plymouth Arrow or Dodge Colt in Pro-Stock, and they [NHRA] re-wrote the rule book in that category ?




Actually Glidden gave up on the Arrow because Chrysler ran out of money.


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Re: HEMI in NHRA T/F,F/C,TAD,TAFC [Re: Moe] #1107368
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Because it is the only engine allowed by the NHRA.




Where can I find this in black & white?




Your right, you won't.

I just looked at a rule book for top fuel, Any engine is permitted with some restrictions.

Re: HEMI in NHRA T/F,F/C,TAD,TAFC [Re: Challenger 1] #1107369
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Because it is the only engine allowed by the NHRA.




Where can I find this in black & white?




Your right, you won't.

I just looked at a rule book for top fuel, Any engine is permitted with some restrictions.





Well, any engine as long as the block and crank specs match a Hemi.


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Re: HEMI in NHRA T/F,F/C,TAD,TAFC [Re: slantzilla] #1107370
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Hey, If you guys have time. The Super Stock '68 HEMI darts and 'Cuda's (SS/AA) have to follow certain rules. I need these specs for the guys @ work. so far I have;

Must use OE cast iron cylinder heads.
Must use OEM heavy K-member and & control arms.
Must not be over 426 c.i
Must use OEM size carbs.

What else am I missing?

Re: HEMI in NHRA T/F,F/C,TAD,TAFC [Re: Moe] #1107371
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Why is it in modern day Pro Stock the Hemi isnt getting it done...??

Those obsolete Pontiac drivers are still whooping Mopars butt in this class...

I would love an explaination for this one from you experienced racers out there..

This is an original pro stock block and aluminum heads developed by Warren Johnson in 1983...Its never been in a car..It can be built between 350 and 650 cubic inches and handle 1400 hp...I stumbled upon it and snagged it for a great price...

I would love to have an 83 Hurst Olds car..Kind of a tribute car to race in NPS class..A tribute to ol WJ himself..


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Re: HEMI in NHRA T/F,F/C,TAD,TAFC [Re: 72N96RR] #1107372
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The car for it!!!

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Re: HEMI in NHRA T/F,F/C,TAD,TAFC [Re: Moe] #1107373
12/03/11 02:11 PM
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Hey, If you guys have time. The Super Stock '68 HEMI darts and 'Cuda's (SS/AA) have to follow certain rules. I need these specs for the guys @ work. so far I have;

Must use OE cast iron cylinder heads.
Must use OEM heavy K-member and & control arms.
Must not be over 426 c.i
Must use OEM size carbs.

What else am I missing?




Among other things, carbs must be stock, inake manifold must be of original design (that gets tricky!), crank, rods & pistons (I believe) must be stock weight, valve angles can't change, car must have interior--no gutting, no "cross-breeding" of engine/trans (but oddly, you can use a different rear ). Imagine a 20-30yrear old Comp engine & that's what the S/S motors have evolved into.

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