1971 383 rebuild, what parts?
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10/29/11 10:40 PM
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I have my 383 from my 1971 cuda with automatic transmission all apart, and I need to put it back together. I was initially going to go with a stroker kit from 440 source, but I now think I would prefer to keep it more true to what it is.
However, I do want to get as much power as I can from the build, meaning proper pistons and piston to deck height, cam, and head work.
I want to use my 352 heads, intake, and HP exhaust manifolds. I don't need to spend top dollar on things. So, I'm curious about a few things.
1 - What pistons to use? I think my block will clean up at 0.030 over. I've heard bad things about the hypereutectic pistons.
2 - What piston to deck height, using the 352 heads. How much to cut the block and heads to get the compression correct?
3 - What valve for the heads? What valve sizes?
4 - What about the cam shaft? I'm thinking of using the Comp Cams 21-224-4.
Thanks for the advice.
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Re: 1971 383 rebuild, what parts?
[Re: lahatte]
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10/30/11 02:58 PM
10/30/11 02:58 PM
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For the valves I would ask the machine shop that does the heads for a recommendation on good quality replacement valves. Your build does not need stainless racing valves. Muscle Motors used to do a nice job on iron heads at reasonable cost. I don't know if they still do. If you need a shop for the heads, it might be worth giving them a call. For the piston and deck height, it isn't really possible to make a 383 a quench engine without a custom piston or custom machining. Instead, the goal is to match up the parts to get compression in the low 9's to make a healthy pump gas engine. A zero deck piston would help get there. You need to measure the cc's of the head and deck height then use a calculator like the one linked below to figure compression and deck height with available pistons. PS to calculate piston height: H=.5*stroke + rod length + piston compression height. Actually measuring assembled parts is an important check but you can use the formula along with measured deck height to check various combos on paper. http://www.summitracing.com/expertadvice/popup.aspx?Control=CompressionCalculator
Last edited by ahy; 10/30/11 03:06 PM.
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Re: 1971 383 rebuild, what parts?
[Re: SomeCarGuy]
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10/31/11 04:20 PM
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Have the shop correct the deck height. They will then be able to give you a number to use while you shop. There has been a lot of discussion on here over the years about the lack of 383 piston selection. A few hundred more for a cusomt piston might be well spent as you can get exactly what you want accomplished.
What he said , you have 5 choices for 383 pistons .
1) Cast replacement , if they are still available , they'll be about .080 in the hole , great if you are going forced induction , otherwise not even a viable choice. CH ~~ 1.850 ??? $
2) KB162 flat top Hyper , .024 in the hole wit ha valve CANYON about 6cc in size , you'll need to deck the block about .024 to get it to zero and then cut heads to get close to 80cc to get your roughly 9.ish compression using a steel shim head gasket Lighter than a stock cast and forged piston. CH 1.908 $$
3) KB400 , same as the 162 except it has a dome, piston is still .024 in the hole and has the 6cc valve canyon, even though they call this the 10.0 piston you have to deck the block and heads to get that. Not as light as the 162. CH 1.908 $$
4) Speedpro 2315 , forged flat top , NO valve reliefs and it has a tall CH than the KB so it sits about .015 in the hole , it's heavy , 1000 grams with pin. CH 1.920 $$
5) Diamond flat top , has a 5cc valve relief , it's forged and lighter than the speedpro and maybe close to the hyper , has a taller CH than hyper but shorter than the Speedpro , Diamond can change this piston for a small up charge so you could do less cutting of the block and possibly heads. $$$CH 1.916.
There is also an old Dome TRW , can't remember the number , it's got a huge dome on it .
What's your budget ? I have a 383 based stoker rotating assembly that is ready to go , it's balanced already too, will make a 450" engine. Eagle crank , K1 rods , Diamond pistons , just buy rings .
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