833 to 3g hemi How? - Moparts Forums

Register Log In Moparts Forums Moparts Question and Answer 833 to 3g hemi How?

Print Thread

833 to 3g hemi How? #1103399 10/28/11 08:29 PM 10/28/11 08:29 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,030 JAX FLA Curt OP super stock
Curt OP super stock Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,030 JAX FLA	Is it no big deal now? Thanks Curt Oh yeah...THAT'S gonna leave a mark!

Re: 833 to 3g hemi How? [Re: Curt] #1103400 10/28/11 10:41 PM 10/28/11 10:41 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,071 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,071 U.S.S.A.	I think i have seen it posted that the 3g hemi has a smallblock bolt pattern , if this is the case it shouldn't be hard , length of the input shaft and a pilot bearing need to be figured out , along with finding a flywheel.

Re: 833 to 3g hemi How? [Re: JohnRR] #1103401 10/28/11 11:06 PM 10/28/11 11:06 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,030 JAX FLA Curt OP super stock
Curt OP super stock Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,030 JAX FLA	My concern is exactly that. Also have a 18 spline 833, so different bearing retainer size there as well. I would assume a hydraulic conversion as well?. Sure would like to use the dual disc set-up from the 2G hemi...minus the flywheel of course. Curt Oh yeah...THAT'S gonna leave a mark!

Re: 833 to 3g hemi How? [Re: Curt] #1103402 10/29/11 10:24 AM 10/29/11 10:24 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,071 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,071 U.S.S.A.	You wouldn't need a hyd. conversion if you use an old mechanical clutch linkage bellhousing, same goes for your clutch setup unless it causes an issue with the clutch fork. There are ways around the pilot bearing , modify the bellhousing as much as possible and modify the pilot bearing retainer, look at a lakewood blowsheild m it may have the big pilot hole or swap the maincase of the trans to a 307 bearing case, before 68 the hemi trans was in the 307 bearing case.

Re: 833 to 3g hemi How? [Re: JohnRR] #1103403 10/29/11 10:59 AM 10/29/11 10:59 AM
Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 2,042 colorado S savoy64 top fuel
savoy64 top fuel S Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 2,042 colorado	you will need to buy a shim to place between the engine block and bellhousing---it is about 18 gauge and they are stamped out to fit exactly---bob

Re: 833 to 3g hemi How? [Re: Curt] #1103404 10/29/11 12:05 PM 10/29/11 12:05 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,030 JAX FLA Curt OP super stock
Curt OP super stock Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,030 JAX FLA	Cool, so it sounds like it is Do-able.. I will look around some more. Thanks Curt Oh yeah...THAT'S gonna leave a mark!

Re: 833 to 3g hemi How? [Re: savoy64] #1103405 10/29/11 04:29 PM 10/29/11 04:29 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,071 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,071 U.S.S.A.	Quote: you will need to buy a shim to place between the engine block and bellhousing---it is about 18 gauge and they are stamped out to fit exactly---bob What is the shim needed for ?

Re: 833 to 3g hemi How? [Re: JohnRR] #1103406 10/29/11 09:18 PM 10/29/11 09:18 PM
Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 2,042 colorado S savoy64 top fuel
savoy64 top fuel S Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 2,042 colorado	so your input shaft isnt too long and the clutch splines are in the right place---bob

Re: 833 to 3g hemi How? [Re: savoy64] #1103407 10/30/11 05:47 PM 10/30/11 05:47 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,902 Rio Linda, CA John_Kunkel Too Many Posts
John_Kunkel Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,902 Rio Linda, CA	18 gauge is only .050" thick. The INTERNET, the MISinformation superhighway

Re: 833 to 3g hemi How? [Re: John_Kunkel] #1103408 10/30/11 06:10 PM 10/30/11 06:10 PM
Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 2,042 colorado S savoy64 top fuel
savoy64 top fuel S Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 2,042 colorado	my friend just bought an installation package to put the 833 behind the 5.7 for his 64 sport fury maybe they just sent him this spacer as a wall hanger---on a side note the cummins needs a similar spacer for the billet torque converters--in 2004 mopar made the engine plate thicker to allow the performance TC to be used without the spacer---bob

Re: 833 to 3g hemi How? [Re: savoy64] #1103409 10/30/11 07:28 PM 10/30/11 07:28 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,902 Rio Linda, CA John_Kunkel Too Many Posts
John_Kunkel Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,902 Rio Linda, CA	I was curious because I had read of swaps where no spacer was used and I found this quote from another source... "There is a slight 0.060-inch flexplate ring-gear misalignment due to the Hemi's slightly longer crankshaft offset. In theory, spacers/adapters are needed to make up the difference, but early installers (unaware of the difference) have reportedly just bolted everything up." The INTERNET, the MISinformation superhighway

Re: 833 to 3g hemi How? [Re: John_Kunkel] #1103410 10/30/11 07:47 PM 10/30/11 07:47 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,030 JAX FLA Curt OP super stock
Curt OP super stock Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,030 JAX FLA	And the pilot bushing??? Curt Oh yeah...THAT'S gonna leave a mark!

Re: 833 to 3g hemi How? [Re: Curt] #1103411 12/13/11 12:43 PM 12/13/11 12:43 PM
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 102 Round Rock, Tx PlumCrazyChris member
PlumCrazyChris member Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 102 Round Rock, Tx	Is the spacer just a sales gimmick, or does it actually work just fine with out it. Would,'t it be possible to just stick a washer on each bolt between the trans case and the block and acheive the same thing without the expense? Chris VP of Mopar Muscle Cars of Austin 70 Challenger www.mopar.org

Re: 833 to 3g hemi How? [Re: PlumCrazyChris] #1103412 12/13/11 12:46 PM 12/13/11 12:46 PM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 12,013 Finally a HUSKER again Moparnut426 I Live Here
Moparnut426 I Live Here Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 12,013 Finally a HUSKER again	I was told the "spacer" is accually an engine safety plate so a blown up clutch/flywheel wont wedge up and knock holes in the back of the block. Kasey

Re: 833 to 3g hemi How? [Re: PlumCrazyChris] #1103413 12/13/11 12:52 PM 12/13/11 12:52 PM
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,260 Netherlands 72Challenger pro stock
72Challenger pro stock Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,260 Netherlands	Using a midplate or making a spacer yourself might be an option? '

Re: 833 to 3g hemi How? [Re: Moparnut426] #1103414 12/13/11 12:54 PM 12/13/11 12:54 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,225 Charleston S sixpackgut Drag Week Mod Champion
sixpackgut Drag Week Mod Champion S Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,225 Charleston	my converter sits right against the flex plate. i can turn it but there is not that free play that we are accustomed too. i havent yet decided if i'm going to leave it this way yet or put a spacer in there Gen 3 power 6.22@110, 9.85@135 Follow @g3hemiswap on instagram performance only racing, CRT, ultimate converter, superior design concepts, ThumperCarbs

Re: 833 to 3g hemi How? [Re: sixpackgut] #1103415 12/13/11 12:56 PM 12/13/11 12:56 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,225 Charleston S sixpackgut Drag Week Mod Champion
sixpackgut Drag Week Mod Champion S Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,225 Charleston	also, can this punched from sheetmetal spacer be had cheap? who is the source? Gen 3 power 6.22@110, 9.85@135 Follow @g3hemiswap on instagram performance only racing, CRT, ultimate converter, superior design concepts, ThumperCarbs

Re: 833 to 3g hemi How? [Re: sixpackgut] #1103416 12/13/11 01:06 PM 12/13/11 01:06 PM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 12,013 Finally a HUSKER again Moparnut426 I Live Here
Moparnut426 I Live Here Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 12,013 Finally a HUSKER again	Ive tried to find one in lakewoods catalogue, but came up short. The only plate Ive ever found for a mopar is for a big block. I would think you could make a cardboard template and cut one to fit to give ya some freeplay there. On auto versions you have to champfer the snout of the torque converter on some so it dosnt bind against the radious in the back of the crank flange. I personally took out a thrust bearing and crank in Dads 408 mopar performance stroker because the converter wouldnt go into the crank and kept constant pulling pressure on the thrust bearing. Thanks mile high crank for helping me out. Kasey

Re: 833 to 3g hemi How? [Re: Moparnut426] #1103417 12/13/11 02:23 PM 12/13/11 02:23 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,225 Charleston S sixpackgut Drag Week Mod Champion
sixpackgut Drag Week Mod Champion S Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,225 Charleston	Quote: Ive tried to find one in lakewoods catalogue, but came up short. The only plate Ive ever found for a mopar is for a big block. I would think you could make a cardboard template and cut one to fit to give ya some freeplay there. On auto versions you have to champfer the snout of the torque converter on some so it dosnt bind against the radious in the back of the crank flange. I personally took out a thrust bearing and crank in Dads 408 mopar performance stroker because the converter wouldnt go into the crank and kept constant pulling pressure on the thrust bearing. Thanks mile high crank for helping me out. Kasey converter fits in crank fine but like you said, any pressure and you will take out the thrust is what i'm worried about. i will make my own spacer if i have to, it just seems like it should be a cheap item to buy Last edited by sixpackgut; 12/13/11 02:23 PM. Gen 3 power 6.22@110, 9.85@135 Follow @g3hemiswap on instagram performance only racing, CRT, ultimate converter, superior design concepts, ThumperCarbs

Moderated by Al_Alguire, Hotwheelsjr, moparts, not_a_charger, RangerDan440, tboomer

Hop To

Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.1