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Another 440 combination feedback request #1096588
10/17/11 09:38 PM
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All,

I searched the archives to find similar combinations, but was unable to find any. Please tell me your thoughts on either street combinations I am considering:

Mild
stock 72 440 block
factory bottom end
Stealth heads and steel shim head gasket (to get up to 9.? c/r)
stock valve train
Lunati Voodoo cam 60302 (or 60303 if it work with power brakes)
69 HP manifolds and 2 1/2 exhaust
mp electronic ignition
street dominator intake
750 DP or edelbrock 800
hv oil pump
windage tray
Deep pan


Wild
stock 71 440 block
stock forged crank
flat top pistons 10.2:1 with
cleaned up 915 heads
crane roller rockers
Crane Cam .300/.310 duration and .557 lift
Would move up to headers
mp electronic ignition
Edelbrock CH28 intake
twin 500 edelbrocks
hv oil pump
windage tray
Deep pan

Either engine would be going into a 69 charger with a 727, either 2,800 (or 3,000+ Wild) stall converter and 3.55 (or 4.10 Wild) rear gears...

I am leaning toward the mild option as the car will not see any track time, but the wild option may draw just a little more attention


Please let me the pros/cons of either version.

Thanks,
Joe

Re: Another 440 combination feedback request [Re: VA_Mopars] #1096589
10/18/11 01:11 AM
10/18/11 01:11 AM
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Just cuious if you go with the wild build why not still use the Stealth heads ? Ron

Re: Another 440 combination feedback request [Re: 383man] #1096590
10/18/11 01:20 AM
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Just cuious if you go with the wild build why not still use the Stealth heads ? Ron






to go wild with "cleaned up" stock heads is futile ...

Re: Another 440 combination feedback request [Re: VA_Mopars] #1096591
10/18/11 01:25 AM
10/18/11 01:25 AM
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Quote:

All,

I searched the archives to find similar combinations, but was unable to find any. Please tell me your thoughts on either street combinations I am considering:

Mild
stock 72 440 block
factory bottom end
Stealth heads and steel shim head gasket (to get up to 9.? c/r)
stock valve train
Lunati Voodoo cam 60302 (or 60303 if it work with power brakes)
69 HP manifolds and 2 1/2 exhaust
mp electronic ignition
street dominator intake
750 DP or edelbrock 800
hv oil pump
windage tray
Deep pan


Wild
stock 71 440 block
stock forged crank
flat top pistons 10.2:1 with
cleaned up 915 heads
crane roller rockers
Crane Cam .300/.310 duration and .557 lift
Would move up to headers
mp electronic ignition
Edelbrock CH28 intake
twin 500 edelbrocks
hv oil pump
windage tray
Deep pan

Either engine would be going into a 69 charger with a 727, either 2,800 (or 3,000+ Wild) stall converter and 3.55 (or 4.10 Wild) rear gears...

I am leaning toward the mild option as the car will not see any track time, but the wild option may draw just a little more attention


Please let me the pros/cons of either version.

Thanks,
Joe




Joe, why not in-between those 2 builds, alittle grunt & still on the mild-er side, here is what i'd do.

Use the 71 bottom end, I'm guessing your going to use the steath heads right?? If so, i'd mill them down to get the compression around 9.3-9.5, In 71 the compression dropped on the 440, it basically became around 8.2-8.3 with 91cc iron heads & .018" factory steel shim gasket, so if you get the CC around 75 you'll get the compression up a solid point & still be able to run a decent cam but nothing crazy.

Run either a 750dp or 3310 750 vs. I'd park the eddy carbs.

Street Dom. intake

The Comp. XE275HL

If needed, get an adj. valvetrain, another good investment even on a mild build.

HP Mannys (but headers will be worth a solid 20 HP), 2.1/2" exhaust, don't go 3", you'll loose valuable torque.

3.55 gears

32-3400 10" stall, But get a "good" quality converter, NO JUNK like a TCI .

PTC is about the best quality you'll get for the coin, & the quality is great & the price is reasonable, i know from running 4 of there converters in different builds.

MSD or Mallory 6AL & an easy adjust MSD distributor so you can dial in the timing curve you want/need with ease.

The Charger should run 13s on street tires IF it doesn't smoke the crap out of them.


75 Duster, 451 10.87 @ 123.58 NA 97 Z28 6sp., 12.01 @ 115 on a 100 shot 71 Swinger. 360 magnum. 12.58 @ 105 78 cutlass, 469 BBC. 12.70 @ 108 on street tires. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2kqNmMfheU
Re: Another 440 combination feedback request [Re: VA_Mopars] #1096592
10/18/11 01:32 AM
10/18/11 01:32 AM
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There's a big difference between your two proposed builds. What do you want the car to do? Do you have a track time or hp level that you're shooting for?? Need to know what your goals are.

Also, with the 72 440, compression ratios went down big time that year and your actual compression even with the source heads will only be around 8:1.

Re: Another 440 combination feedback request [Re: DaytonaTurbo] #1096593
10/18/11 08:18 AM
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I have the stealth heads so I can use them on both builds if viewed better than reworked 915 heads... No track times in mind, just looking for a fun reliable street combination, preferably with power brakes.

Joe

Re: Another 440 combination feedback request [Re: VA_Mopars] #1096594
10/18/11 06:20 PM
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You don't need that much vacuum for power brakes. I ran the lunati 60303 in a smogger 440 and still had more than enough vacuum for power brakes.

Take your 'mild' combo, add in some kb237 pistons, headers and lunati 60303 cam will work with your stock valvetrain and allow you to run 3.55 gears. You will have a fun street ride.

Re: Another 440 combination feedback request [Re: VA_Mopars] #1096595
10/22/11 07:35 PM
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All,

I searched the archives to find similar combinations, but was unable to find any. Please tell me your thoughts on either street combinations I am considering:

Mild
stock 72 440 block
factory bottom end
Stealth heads and steel shim head gasket (to get up to 9.? c/r)
stock valve train
Lunati Voodoo cam 60302 (or 60303 if it work with power brakes)
69 HP manifolds and 2 1/2 exhaust
mp electronic ignition
street dominator intake
750 DP or edelbrock 800
hv oil pump
windage tray
Deep pan




Mine is pretty similar to this: .30 over, stealth heads, 60303 kit, stock HP manifolds, six pack, SRP pistons .006 in the hole, stock rockers, TTI 2.5, std pump, hemi 6qt pan, points ignition for breakin then pertronix; 10:2SCR, 8.4DCR. Initially idled at about 13 on AF meter - rich, have it up to about 13.6 now by enlarging the outboard throttle bleed holes. Going in my 70RR convertible.

Idles at 850 (neutral), 20 base timing, 15" vac. Posted video of startup/idle on test stand here

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