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Re: Negative Battery Cable How much of it should be PAINTED
[Re: Mopar Grandpa]
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10/06/11 08:09 PM
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Maybe MikeR is asking: is there some printed literature out there that states what the "accepted norms" are for the folks that haven't been in the hobby for years and years and don't run in the same circles as the judges. 
For instance; what is the accepted norm for sound deadner on the 1/4's? What is the accepted norm for exhaust manifold coatings?
If there were some printed standards that would help a lot.
It's hard to match the undercoating on the inside of the quarters or the heavy seam sealer around the trunk floor. There was no coating on the manifolds other than engine paint on the manifolds which readily burnt off and just left a residue by time the buyer picked his car up... except for the heat riser and partially on the ends of manifold studs and nuts.
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Re: Negative Battery Cable How much of it should be PAINTED
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10/06/11 10:10 PM
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Maybe MikeR is asking: is there some printed literature out there that states what the "accepted norms" are for the folks that haven't been in the hobby for years and years and don't run in the same circles as the judges.
For instance; what is the accepted norm for sound deadner on the 1/4's? What is the accepted norm for exhaust manifold coatings?
If there were some printed standards that would help a lot.
It's hard to match the undercoating on the inside of the quarters or the heavy seam sealer around the trunk floor. There was no coating on the manifolds other than engine paint on the manifolds which readily burnt off and just left a residue by time the buyer picked his car up... except for the heat riser and partially on the ends of manifold studs and nuts.
I realize how the exhaust manifolds came from the factory but what I was asking was what is the "accepted norm" for these manifolds in todays judging circles. I've seen a lot of them with the gray (Eastwood type) coatings which look nice but aren't anywhere close to original.
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Re: Negative Battery Cable How much of it should be PAINTED
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10/07/11 12:50 AM
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I doubt if there is an answer to a norm for exhaust manifold finishes? I like the way Mike's look in the first post. I'd like to know what gets points or loses points at the Nats? I think for platinum judging, it is painted completely with engine color? There is likely different standards for different caliber of judging. It may come down to personal preferences in some cases. When I judge for standards of originality, I don't dock for clean, unpainted, natural finish manifolds even if they have a little blush of surface rust. Manifolds completely painted engine color are OK too. I do look for engine color
on the heat riser if the manifolds are not completely painted
engine color. I don't dock or give coated cast iron looking
manifolds any extra points but they may lose points if they
are a bad color, the coating is too thick, rust showing
through, no engine paint on heat riser, etc.
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Re: Negative Battery Cable How much of it should be PAINTED
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10/07/11 08:39 AM
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here is a pic of my unrestored 18k mile sbird
its very original, (plug wires, hoses, belts, etc)
Lynch Road car?
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Re: Negative Battery Cable How much of it should be PAINTED
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10/07/11 09:44 AM
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here is a pic of my unrestored 18k mile sbird
its very original, (plug wires, hoses, belts, etc)
Lynch Road car?
Pretty sure all of the Superbirds were Lynch Road built road runners then sent to Creative Industries to be converted/finished........so you noticed the fender tag   
MikeR
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Re: Negative Battery Cable How much of it should be PAINTED
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10/07/11 10:21 AM
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yes, lynch road
my understanding of lynch road data tags are that they were hung in the windshield opening by a unfolded paper clip and got whatever overspray from the car paint on them
i have found unfolded paper clips under the carpeting of original lynch road cars that ive taken apart
i cannot swear that this is how it was done, but it is consistant with what ive seen on data tags and the paper clips
That's what I found from researhing this since the '90's and I've been looking for an original or NOS paper clip ever since   If you still have it or want to bend one up like you remember it I'll bid on it on ebay if you put it on there
Some have said they were hung on the steering column support or where the inside rear view mirror would go and that's why they didn't get much paint, some even said that a vinyl roof car got even less because the roof wasn't painted I think the steering column support makes the most sense. Don't know if the cowl/dash area is one of the first thing to be finished welded so the tag is there at the beginning???
MikeR
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Re: Negative Battery Cable How much of it should be PAINTED
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10/07/11 08:24 PM
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here is a pic of my unrestored 18k mile sbird
its very original, (plug wires, hoses, belts, etc)
Lynch Road car?
Pretty sure all of the Superbirds were Lynch Road built road runners then sent to Creative Industries to be converted/finished........so you noticed the fender tag
MikeR
Yep, even with these old eyes.
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Re: Negative Battery Cable How much of it should be PAINTED
[Re: TONY_DAGOSTINO]
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10/11/11 01:08 PM
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Tony, that 1" (approx?) unpainted area is that tape or actually not painted? That almost seems identical to the one in another photo...this one.
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thats an unpainted area
If the part number tag or whatever is wrapped around the negative ground cable (in the photo below) is the reason for the similar size unpainted area in the above photo how is it NOT painted, or was it painted at one time and the layer of paint came off 
(with all of these recent photos, maybe the accepted "norm" isn't really the "norm", someone is going to need to put up more photos of partial painted original negative cables to counter the number of fully painted cable photos posted to re-set the "norm" standard back to where it's been. Still like to know who set that standard or how it got to be the "norm".........remember this is constructive and not NEGATIVE (pun intended)  )
MikeR
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Re: Negative Battery Cable How much of it should be PAINTED
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10/11/11 02:17 PM
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To me it looks like a Hemi cable was not painted all the way up because the valve covers where covered and not painted. My 440-4 was painted all the way to the terminal and you can see where it was hanging over the painted valve cover. The 1" unpainted area seems to be not painted because that's where the part # tag was and fell off after time. This is just My  Bob
Mom & Dad let me buy a brand new 70 Challenger R/T 440 Six-Pack Super Trac Pack when I was 17
(Robert what is a 440 Six-Pack)
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