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727 tranny that won't stop seeping. Arrrrrrrrrrrrgh! #1084542 09/28/11 06:56 PM 09/28/11 06:56 PM
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 486 Sonoran desert, Arizona, USA M moparjo68 OP mopar
moparjo68 OP mopar M Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 486 Sonoran desert, Arizona, USA	Hello. Have been reading in the Moparts archives about the best tranny pan gasket to use. Have already made sure leak is NOT from higher up, its at the pan. I bought the extra deep steel tranny pan from Mopar and have already tried various gaskets but no luck. I was then reading about the anti crush gasket offered by Chrysler dealers. My biggest concern with that gasket is about how much torque do I apply so I won't strip out the bolt threads of the transmission? I noticed alot of caution concerning this gasket because it was thicker than normal. I know the shop manual states to torque the bolts 150 inch lbs but what would I torque the bolts for this gasket?

Re: 727 tranny that won't stop seeping. Arrrrrrrrrrrrgh! [Re: moparjo68] #1084543 09/28/11 07:16 PM 09/28/11 07:16 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,777 Rio Linda, CA John_Kunkel Too Many Posts
John_Kunkel Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,777 Rio Linda, CA	Use the same 150 in. lb. torque for the new style gasket. The INTERNET, the MISinformation superhighway

Re: 727 tranny that won't stop seeping. Arrrrrrrrrrrrgh! [Re: John_Kunkel] #1084544 09/28/11 07:23 PM 09/28/11 07:23 PM
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pishta super stock P Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 893 Tustin, CA	I know you said it was from the pan, but there is a rod in the back of the trans body that the servo arm pivots on, I had a leak there and it took me while to figure it out, as well as the usual suspects, dipstick seal and speedo pinion and kickdown/selector lever O-ring leaks. 12 Grand Caravan 06 T&C 02 T&C 96 Breeze 65 Barracuda "S"

Re: 727 tranny that won't stop seeping. Arrrrrrrrrrrrgh! [Re: pishta] #1084545 09/28/11 08:48 PM 09/28/11 08:48 PM
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 486 Sonoran desert, Arizona, USA M moparjo68 OP mopar
moparjo68 OP mopar M Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 486 Sonoran desert, Arizona, USA	I've run my hand above the pan all around the corners and its dry. I placed a new o-ring on the dipstick tube. The wet begins at the gasket down. I've even looked above the pan with a mirror and no signs of wet. I would like to do this gasket replacement thing ONE MORE TIME. Although, the new tranny pan is a god send with the drain plug. HOW NICE!!!!!!!

Re: 727 tranny that won't stop seeping. Arrrrrrrrrrrrgh! [Re: moparjo68] #1084546 09/28/11 09:35 PM 09/28/11 09:35 PM
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scratchnfotraction I Live Here S Joined: May 2003 Posts: 15,487 Florida	the new pan gasket part #2464324ac IIRC did you get the deep pan extention? with that pan?

Re: 727 tranny that won't stop seeping. Arrrrrrrrrrrrgh! [Re: scratchnfotraction] #1084547 09/28/11 11:40 PM 09/28/11 11:40 PM
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 486 Sonoran desert, Arizona, USA M moparjo68 OP mopar
moparjo68 OP mopar M Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 486 Sonoran desert, Arizona, USA	Quote: the new pan gasket part #2464324ac IIRC did you get the deep pan extention? with that pan? Yes I did!

Re: 727 tranny that won't stop seeping. Arrrrrrrrrrrrgh! [Re: moparjo68] #1084548 09/29/11 12:09 AM 09/29/11 12:09 AM
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KY Charger enthusiast K Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 227 Bowling Green, KY	If it is chrome sand off the chrome on the lip and use the rubber composite gasket with the gray permatex. I thought my gasket was leaking at one corner and then my little light bulb lite up and noticed it was my dipstick o-ring that was leaking.

Re: 727 tranny that won't stop seeping. Arrrrrrrrrrrrgh! [Re: KY Charger] #1084549 09/29/11 10:35 AM 09/29/11 10:35 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 74,992 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 74,992 U.S.S.A.	Quote: If it is chrome sand off the chrome on the lip and use the rubber composite gasket with the gray permatex. I thought my gasket was leaking at one corner and then my little light bulb lite up and noticed it was my dipstick o-ring that was leaking. What he said , if the pan is chrome sand the chrome off the gasket rail or you'll never get it to stop. I chased a trans leak on my truck for 2 years , turns out it was the fittings for the cooler line threads into the trans case . Running your hand on the case is not going to find the leak , clean the trans, run it and then put baby powder on it, you'll find the leak.

Re: 727 tranny that won't stop seeping. Arrrrrrrrrrrrgh! [Re: JohnRR] #1084550 09/30/11 02:01 PM 09/30/11 02:01 PM
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deansrr top fuel Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 2,034 NW Indiana	are you using anything besides the gasket to help seal it? I always use weatherstriping glue to attach gasket to pan and then right stuff on gasket and never have a problems with aftermarket pans 1973 Road Runner 1974 Satellite (for sale) 1973 240z (wifes) 1993 Ramcharger (thanks Devil) 2002 Honda S2000

Re: 727 tranny that won't stop seeping. Arrrrrrrrrrrrgh! [Re: deansrr] #1084551 09/30/11 02:42 PM 09/30/11 02:42 PM
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 486 Sonoran desert, Arizona, USA M moparjo68 OP mopar
moparjo68 OP mopar M Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 486 Sonoran desert, Arizona, USA	The new pan from Mopar is steel, not chrome. From reading the archives about leaky pans, the general advice given was the gasket was suppose to do the sealing, not the chemical applied. I read about the guy who rebuilds hundreds of transmissions a month using nothing but plain cork gaskets...........and never a leak. Well, what the heck is your secret. Cork didn't work for me.

Re: 727 tranny that won't stop seeping. Arrrrrrrrrrrrgh! [Re: moparjo68] #1084552 09/30/11 02:48 PM 09/30/11 02:48 PM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,424 Florida STAYcation dOrk ! The village idiot's idiot
dOrk ! The village idiot's idiot Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,424 Florida STAYcation	Quote: Well, what the heck is your secret. Cork didn't work for me. NO real secret ...other than a dead straight and flat pan rail. AND not OVERtorquing the bolts. CORK has always WERKED furr me .... I also like the cast alum pan ... those pan-rails are always dead-straight ....

Re: 727 tranny that won't stop seeping. Arrrrrrrrrrrrgh! [Re: dOrk !] #1084553 09/30/11 03:38 PM 09/30/11 03:38 PM
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 486 Sonoran desert, Arizona, USA M moparjo68 OP mopar
moparjo68 OP mopar M Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 486 Sonoran desert, Arizona, USA	What brand is your cast alum pan?????????????????

Re: 727 tranny that won't stop seeping. Arrrrrrrrrrrrgh! [Re: moparjo68] #1084554 09/30/11 03:51 PM 09/30/11 03:51 PM
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 4,718 Florida BDW master
BDW master Joined: May 2005 Posts: 4,718 Florida	I know you think it's the gasket, so did I. Replaced the gasket 3 times. Finally figured out it was leaking from multiple other places....... NSS gasket bad Pivot pin Selector seal

Re: 727 tranny that won't stop seeping. Arrrrrrrrrrrrgh! [Re: moparjo68] #1084555 09/30/11 04:05 PM 09/30/11 04:05 PM
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 15,487 Florida S scratchnfotraction I Live Here
scratchnfotraction I Live Here S Joined: May 2003 Posts: 15,487 Florida	try the Mopar black ATF/RTV when useing a sealer,I use it with my cork gaskets dont over torque it and let cure over night

Re: 727 tranny that won't stop seeping. Arrrrrrrrrrrrgh! [Re: BDW] #1084556 10/05/11 08:30 PM 10/05/11 08:30 PM
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 486 Sonoran desert, Arizona, USA M moparjo68 OP mopar
moparjo68 OP mopar M Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 486 Sonoran desert, Arizona, USA	Quote: I know you think it's the gasket, so did I. Replaced the gasket 3 times. Finally figured out it was leaking from multiple other places....... NSS gasket bad Pivot pin Selector seal You were sooooo right. It was coming from somewhere other than the pan gasket. It was seeping around the pivot pin. I just didn't want to believe it, 'cause I just spent $450.00 bucks having the tranny rebuilt. I crawled under the car last nite, stayed there for about 30 minutes to look for leaks. And there it was........seeping around the pivot pin. I was relieved to find the leak........then mad as heck that the tranny guy either overlooked or just neglected to replace this 10 cent o ring. Thanks alot Alan Willis, with Willis Transmissions in Owensboro, KY. I appreciate for all the extra work you caused me.

Re: 727 tranny that won't stop seeping. Arrrrrrrrrrrrgh! [Re: moparjo68] #1084557 10/06/11 12:05 AM 10/06/11 12:05 AM
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 15,487 Florida S scratchnfotraction I Live Here
scratchnfotraction I Live Here S Joined: May 2003 Posts: 15,487 Florida	makes you wonder how much other stuff he overlooked,did not R&R and replace parts i have jacked rear of car up,cleaned with brakeclean,air dry it with the airhose,coved good with the Mopar Black ATF/RTV and let dry over night. thats stuff will seal up with it wet with atf,some great stuff for the bent/out of round dip tube and o-ring as well.

Re: 727 tranny that won't stop seeping. Arrrrrrrrrrrrgh! [Re: scratchnfotraction] #1084558 10/06/11 10:54 AM 10/06/11 10:54 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 74,992 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 74,992 U.S.S.A.	Quote: makes you wonder how much other stuff he overlooked,did not R&R and replace parts Not overlooked but not replaced to increase the bottom line , the trans will live past the warranty period . jack up the rear of the car , clean the area real good , dry it and smear it with a good RTV...

Re: 727 tranny that won't stop seeping. Arrrrrrrrrrrrgh! [Re: JohnRR] #1084559 10/11/11 09:56 PM 10/11/11 09:56 PM
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 486 Sonoran desert, Arizona, USA M moparjo68 OP mopar
moparjo68 OP mopar M Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 486 Sonoran desert, Arizona, USA	Spent the day taking tailshaft off of transmission to access the pivot pin o ring. O ring was as brittle as an old cookie. Brittle and broke to pieces. While I had the tailshaft out, I cut off the dog leg that keeps the pivot pin from sliding out. I am going to make a brace and create a "stop" for the pivot pin. So next time this happens, all I have to do is drop the pan, unbolt the "stop" brace that I made and slide out the pivot pin. A lot quicker. Has anyone done this?

Re: 727 tranny that won't stop seeping. Arrrrrrrrrrrrgh! [Re: moparjo68] #1084560 10/11/11 11:06 PM 10/11/11 11:06 PM
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BDW master Joined: May 2005 Posts: 4,718 Florida	Does seem like you could add a piece to the bolt above the dog leg once you cut it off. Post what you end up with.

Re: 727 tranny that won't stop seeping. Arrrrrrrrrrrrgh! [Re: moparjo68] #1084561 10/12/11 11:46 AM 10/12/11 11:46 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 74,992 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 74,992 U.S.S.A.	Quote: Has anyone done this? Why? It's not like you'll be doing it again anytime soon .

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