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some swear by 'em, some swear at 'em. are they really necessary when using a good oil pan?

for what is the good life if not doing things thoughtfully?

Re: WINDAGE TRAY? [Re: maximum entropy] #1079225 09/20/11 12:50 PM 09/20/11 12:50 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,060 Western New York sixpackbee master
sixpackbee master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,060 Western New York	A or B engine? 1959 Bugeye Sprite 1967 Charger Black L code 1967 Coronet R/T Convert Green 440 auto bought from original owner 1968 Charger R/T Bronze 440 4 spd console AM/FM 1969 Super Bee WM21H B5 A40 D21 N96 1969 Barracuda Formula S 340 Convert pilot car 1969 Hemi Road Runner RM23J D32 Omaha orange 4.10 Dana N96 N85 1970 Super Bee WM23N FE5 V1X 3.91 axle package, N96 1970 Road Runner RM21N B3 V1X D13 1971 MG Midget 1971 Road Runner RM23H GW3, A57 1972 Road Runner RM23P FY1, D21

Re: WINDAGE TRAY? [Re: sixpackbee] #1079226 09/20/11 01:03 PM 09/20/11 01:03 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,825 Sk. Canada RemCharger master
RemCharger master Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,825 Sk. Canada	Define a good oil pan. One with out a hole?

Re: WINDAGE TRAY? [Re: RemCharger] #1079227 09/20/11 02:38 PM 09/20/11 02:38 PM
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 5,080 organ M maximum entropy OP master
maximum entropy OP master M Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 5,080 organ	Quote: Define a good oil pan. One with out a hole? lol. a good deep pan, drain hole only (with plug), "b"engine. for what is the good life if not doing things thoughtfully?

Re: WINDAGE TRAY? [Re: RemCharger] #1079228 09/20/11 02:44 PM 09/20/11 02:44 PM
Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 2,325 Clinton Twp... north of Deetro... L Labratt Good Ol Randy B!
Labratt Good Ol Randy B! L Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 2,325 Clinton Twp... north of Deetro...	My engine builder,Todd...said with me running 7 qts. of oil,in my Moroso 8 qt. pan,that it really wasn't needed,because the crank was a good distance from the oil in the sump,creating very little windage. Also,it would hinder the oil returning back to the pan,more than without the tray! Been running it that way for 6 yrs.,shifting at 6500..trapping at 66-6700rpm!..so far,so good! Randy B. 6834662-DSC01713(Small).JPG (44 downloads)

Re: WINDAGE TRAY? [Re: maximum entropy] #1079229 09/20/11 02:59 PM 09/20/11 02:59 PM
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 8,882 Ontario, Canada S Stanton Don't question me!
Stanton Don't question me! S Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 8,882 Ontario, Canada	Generally when you use a deep pan you toss the windage tray.

Re: WINDAGE TRAY? [Re: Labratt] #1079230 09/20/11 03:01 PM 09/20/11 03:01 PM
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WILD BILL Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH	No Randy, he told you it wasn't needed becuase he knew the car would sit in the garage most of the time

Re: WINDAGE TRAY? [Re: maximum entropy] #1079231 09/20/11 03:39 PM 09/20/11 03:39 PM
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BradH Taking time off to work on my car B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually	What type of oil pan? What stroke? RPM? Track-only or street/strip? A REAL "race" oil pan wouldn't use a "strap-on" windage tray like an OEM piece, but might still have some type of windage tray/screen integrated into it.

Re: WINDAGE TRAY? [Re: BradH] #1079232 09/20/11 04:24 PM 09/20/11 04:24 PM
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 5,080 organ M maximum entropy OP master
maximum entropy OP master M Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 5,080 organ	Quote: What type of oil pan? What stroke? RPM? Track-only or street/strip? A REAL "race" oil pan wouldn't use a "strap-on" windage tray like an OEM piece, but might still have some type of windage tray/screen integrated into it. milodon low profile pan on a 511 tall deck stroker, race only. it seems that quite a few racers are ditching the traditional louvered tray. i couldn't get this one to fit with the internal pickup and girdle without cutting away a substantial portion of the tray. i have a tray in mine (milodon), but i have an external pickup. i've often wondered if the tray was doing more harm than good? for what is the good life if not doing things thoughtfully?

Re: WINDAGE TRAY? [Re: maximum entropy] #1079233 09/20/11 04:47 PM 09/20/11 04:47 PM
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Chris2581 master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,531 Jacksonville, FL	FWIW...I did not use a windage tray on my 440,but I did install a crank scraper from Isihara-Johnson.I'm using a older Moroso pan/pickup,and no problems so far. Nautilus Racing- We use Superformance gaskets and Turbo Action converters/products.

Re: WINDAGE TRAY? [Re: maximum entropy] #1079234 09/20/11 05:02 PM 09/20/11 05:02 PM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,451 Florida STAYcation dOoC The village idiot's idiot
dOoC The village idiot's idiot Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,451 Florida STAYcation	Quote: Quote: What type of oil pan? What stroke? RPM? Track-only or street/strip? A REAL "race" oil pan wouldn't use a "strap-on" windage tray like an OEM piece, but might still have some type of windage tray/screen integrated into it. milodon low profile pan on a 511 tall deck stroker, race only. it seems that quite a few racers are ditching the traditional louvered tray. i couldn't get this one to fit with the internal pickup and girdle without cutting away a substantial portion of the tray. i have a tray in mine (milodon), but i have an external pickup. i've often wondered if the tray was doing more harm than good? LIKE ON a high $$ pan like this ? ...no I would not use a typical tray. But on a OEM stocker or a 100$ eBay piece ? ... I SURE would. It cuts down on "windage" and works like ...on a very small part .. like a scraper.

Re: WINDAGE TRAY? [Re: dOoC] #1079235 09/21/11 04:18 AM 09/21/11 04:18 AM
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rebel master Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,647 aotearoa	no tray here, just a homebuilt crank scraper

Re: WINDAGE TRAY? [Re: maximum entropy] #1079236 09/21/11 11:48 AM 09/21/11 11:48 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,050 Oregon A AndyF I Win
AndyF I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,050 Oregon	Depends on the pan. Stock type pans would probably benefit from a windage tray while race pans usually won't. Here is a Charlies pan that has a built in tray and scraper. No need to use a windage tray with a pan like this. 6835994-dyno.jpg (61 downloads)

Re: WINDAGE TRAY? [Re: WILD BILL] #1079237 09/22/11 12:21 AM 09/22/11 12:21 AM
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Labratt Good Ol Randy B! L Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 2,325 Clinton Twp... north of Deetro...	Bill..that MUST be the reason my motor has been in one piece for the last 6 yrs.! Thanks,Buddy!

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