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Stripping car to bare metal for paint and need help. #1076904
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I have a '66 Belvedere II convertible. The engine is pulled and most of the paint is stripped to bare metal, all except the engine compartment and the trunk.

Question 1: Since I don't have a lot of money or skill, should I leave the engine compartment and trunk with the old paint? Can I just have the body/paint guy paint over it?

Question 2: This project has been going on for over 5 years. There has been some very light surface rust on the bare metal. I have been using a hard plastic wire attachment on my drill to remove it. Is there a faster way? Also, what should I do to protect the metal when I get it cleaned up?

This was supposed to be a project car with my dad(who knows cars inside and out), but he decided he didn't want to work on it with me. So now I am stuck trying to muddle through and complete this project. I appreciate any help offered/given.

Thanks!

Re: Stripping car to bare metal for paint and need help. [Re: BelvedereCruisin] #1076905
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Wow, I don't know where to start. Scotchbrite pads and your arms and elbows should get the surface rust off. If it's worse than that...???
Light coat of primer out of a spray can would be better than nothing to keep it from rusting again.

I'd pressure wash the engine compartment and maybe the trunk and blow dry. Then paint over it, Unless your gonna do the car right and media blast the whole thing.
Good luck and read some of the old threads on this site. Plenty of good info on how to restore cars.

Re: Stripping car to bare metal for paint and need help. [Re: Challenger 1] #1076906
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I spent a whole weekend stripping the paint from my engine compartment, but my car is a shell, nothing bolted on it. Probably the best advise is above. A little degreaser in the pressure washer would help to I bet.


Its not primer its perma gray.
Re: Stripping car to bare metal for paint and need help. [Re: rtmike] #1076907
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Yes it is very light surface rust. Thanks for your tips.

Like I said this is my first journey into body work and major engine work. So it's going to be a MAJOR learning experience for me.

Re: Stripping car to bare metal for paint and need help. [Re: BelvedereCruisin] #1076908
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I'd blast it and give it a good coat of epoxy primer. That'll stabilize it for a while.

Re: Stripping car to bare metal for paint and need help. [Re: BelvedereCruisin] #1076909
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Go to your PPG paint store and get a qt. of DX579. Wearing protective clothing (mask, goggles, gloves) wipe a coating of the acid solution onto the metal and then wipe dry. That will leave a film that will slow any rust from forming. It also dissolves surface rust, so use it to remove what rust has developed.
Be sure to store out of reach of children. Like I said, this is acid. It will also etch concrete, so be careful about drips!

Re: Stripping car to bare metal for paint and need help. [Re: Silverbullet2] #1076910
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I'd blast it and give it a good coat of epoxy primer. That'll stabilize it for a while.




Sadly I don't have the money to get it blasted.

It looks like the overall consensus is to remove the surface rust and hit it with some epoxy primer.

Can I spray that over existing paint as well? As in the paint in the engine compartment and trunk.

Also, do I need to rough the metal up(40 or 80 grit) before spraying epoxy?

Re: Stripping car to bare metal for paint and need help. [Re: BelvedereCruisin] #1076911
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Remove all rust from engine compartment and trunk then scuff up all the other areas with some scotchbrite or 220 sand paper on a da sander, then epoxy prime barespots and then use a good high build primer on everything. I would recomend stripping all but at least spend some time sanding off rust and priming the engine compartment then sanding again before paint if not you will regret it when the rest of the car looks sweet and the engine compartment looks like shizz nit.

Re: Stripping car to bare metal for paint and need help. [Re: BelvedereCruisin] #1076912
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You can use paint stripper to get paint off in engine bay, if you have time,it's not that hard

Re: Stripping car to bare metal for paint and need help. [Re: crlush] #1076913
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Do you have a good sized air compressor? If so, and if you are so inclined, you might think about getting a pressure blaster from Harbor Freight, or similar. Probably less then $200. Fine sand should be available at local hardware stores.

Re: Stripping car to bare metal for paint and need help. [Re: lahatte] #1076914
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Do you have a good sized air compressor? If so, and if you are so inclined, you might think about getting a pressure blaster from Harbor Freight, or similar. Probably less then $200. Fine sand should be available at local hardware stores.




I was told that blasting was a major pain due to all the fine sand you have to clean up afterwards. Is that true? What are you thoughts on that?

Re: Stripping car to bare metal for paint and need help. [Re: BelvedereCruisin] #1076915
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Do you have a good sized air compressor? If so, and if you are so inclined, you might think about getting a pressure blaster from Harbor Freight, or similar. Probably less then $200. Fine sand should be available at local hardware stores.




I was told that blasting was a major pain due to all the fine sand you have to clean up afterwards. Is that true? What are you thoughts on that?




Terrible idea, because you don't have near enough compressor, no knowledge on how to do it and your car is not completely stripped of every nut and bolt.

Re: Stripping car to bare metal for paint and need help. [Re: BelvedereCruisin] #1076916
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Quote:

I have a '66 Belvedere II convertible. The engine is pulled and most of the paint is stripped to bare metal, all except the engine compartment and the trunk.

Question 1: Since I don't have a lot of money or skill, should I leave the engine compartment and trunk with the old paint? Can I just have the body/paint guy paint over it?

Question 2: This project has been going on for over 5 years. There has been some very light surface rust on the bare metal. I have been using a hard plastic wire attachment on my drill to remove it. Is there a faster way? Also, what should I do to protect the metal when I get it cleaned up?

This was supposed to be a project car with my dad(who knows cars inside and out), but he decided he didn't want to work on it with me. So now I am stuck trying to muddle through and complete this project. I appreciate any help offered/given.

Thanks!




With longer term projects your best bet is using epoxy primer on bare metal.
It provides better rust and corrosion protection and when ready you can simply scuff it and apply more epoxy, filler, 2k primer/surfacer, or even base if finish sanded first.

Stripping the engine bay is the best idea and if you sandblast be sure to seal the rest of your car very well cause sand/media gets everywhere and is a bear to clean up.
Paint strippers work great but be sure to neutralize by washing the area with plenty of soap and water paying special attention to seams. You won't want this stuff seeping out of any cracks and ruining your paint job.

One last thing. If you do leave the old paint on you will need to remove any rust or loose paint, scuff with a red scotchbrite pad to dull the surface and then cover with epoxy primer to lock it down.

Re: Stripping car to bare metal for paint and need help. [Re: 68CoronetRT] #1076917
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Great thanks 68CoronetRT!







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