Oil pressure issue............
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08/18/08 02:13 AM
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Okay I'm almost at my wits end with my Dart, and am just about ready to just run it and if it blows up, oh well. I have a 360 with W-2 econo heads and I keep having odd oil pressure issues. Last year I couldn't keep the pressure up when I was priming it, and finally traced it to a missing gasket behind the oil filter plate. Now I have oil pressure, but it fluctuates like crazy. When I start the car the pressure jumps up to about 80psi. It gradually drops to about 25-30psi as I let it idle. No problems there. When I start driving sometimes the pressure will drop to around 20 (even at around 3500rpm), but will shoot back up to around 60psi when I back off the throttle. Then after about 15 minutes of driving the pressure will drop to around 18 at idle and wont go above 35 when driving (and it still does the weird no throttle pressure jump). I'm running a high volume melling pump, but being the retard I can be sometimes, I reused the oil pump gasket when I quick pulled it to change pick-ups ( I was going to a new pan). This might be the obvious problem, but what else could be causing this? BTW, the Autometer gauge I have never goes below 10psi even when the car is off. This makes me nervous as hell that I might only have 8-10 pounds of pressure at times. Is this normal for a gauge like this?
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Re: Oil pressure issue............
[Re: plymguy]
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08/18/08 07:57 PM
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You could have a broken pressure spring in the pump or the plunger is sticking every now & then. If your gauges check out OK I'd replace the oil pump.
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Re: Oil pressure issue............
[Re: GODSCOUNTRY340]
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08/18/08 11:58 PM
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The oil pressure gauge is mechanical. I'll try changing the gauge and if that doesnt do it I guess its time for a pump. Sucks because it only has about 2,000 miles on it. Anything else I should check?
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Re: Oil pressure issue............
[Re: rjones]
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08/19/08 11:02 AM
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When under load or a steady cruise the crankshaft is pushed down against the lower main bearing shells allowing oil to escape around the grooved upper main bearing shells causing the oil pressure to drop. When you coast or let off the throttle manifold vacuum increases and the pistons pull the crankshaft upward into the upper main bearing shells reducing the area the oil has to escape and the oil pressure goes up. The hotter the oil gets the worse this becomes.
How can the vacuum pull the crank up? Vacuum is, at most, 1 atmosphere of pressure, while your compression stroke is, at least, 8 times that and is pushing down (even coasting). I could see if you had huge clearances, loose bearing retainer bolts, bent crank, etc that there is a possibility that the crank bends down to cap under load and then comes back up when the load is released, but even this usually won't give that much of a presure difference. Depending on the tranmission type and design, you could also get the same type of side loads put on the rear main when you change loading direction, but again that is a pretty big spike. You could even be looking at a thrust clearance issue.
I would look at the pump and drive, relief valve etc after confirming with a new gauge, as was said. If that doesn't do it, something is terribly wrong in the engine itself.
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Re: Oil pressure issue............
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08/19/08 11:46 AM
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as mentioned #1 try another gauge #2 replace the pump(sticking regulator) & use NO gasket(I know they are included sometimes) & I am speaking of the small gasket where the pump sets into the main cap. I am sure hoping that with this gauge staying a 10 that IT is indeed bad. When you solve it give us the good news. EDIT & I am wondering if the pickup is too close to the pan.
Last edited by RapidRobert; 08/19/08 11:58 AM.
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Re: Oil pressure issue............
[Re: kmfdm]
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08/20/08 11:35 PM
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Okay I tried a new gauge and all it confirmed was that I have even less oil pressure than I thought. Under normal acceleration the pressure would be around 25 and would steadily drop as low as 10psi. If I let off the gas it would sometimes jump all the way up to 70psi. Once the car was good and warm, idle pressure would somtimes be around 25-30psi but at other times it would around 15. I'm going to order a new pump asap and try that, but I just know that this thing will be getting a short block sometime soon.
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