Re: Budget 318 head options for my project truck?
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maybe some JY mag heads but reportedly alot of em are cracked but people have used them as is. You'd need a mag intake/pushrods. some 302's would bump the CR a bit & would bolt right on since their LA's
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Re: Budget 318 head options for my project truck?
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they're closed ch so it'd bump the CR up a bit which'd b good 4 you if you could find a set 4 cheap/ready 2 go as you wouldn't want to put alot into them.Prob some mag heads would b more practical but you need a mag manifold as I dont think you want to redrill the heads' intake holes at this point. Not sure on the 302 yrs avail but it'd b better to find a set of them (or mags) 4 sale ready to bolt on & a set of early 273 heads which are closed ch would b good & nobody wants them. do some searching & get a good bargain
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Re: Budget 318 head options for my project truck?
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iirc the 302 (yes the casting #) have 1.78's. the CR will benefit u more than the valve size plus do a bit of judicious porting esp the bowl right below the seat
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Re: Budget 318 head options for my project truck?
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4-v 318 will have the 360 head with 1.88/1.60 valves and open chambers with low comp ratio. comes stock with flat tappet cam ,but may be a roller cam block on mid to late pre-mag engines. 2-v 318 has the #302 casting heads with 1.78/1.50 vales closed chambers and will be on a 9.0 to 1 comp 318 starting in 85 with roller cams start in 85 in cars only. 2-v 318 trucks got a roller block/flat tappet cam with #302 heads in 85. you can up the #302 valve size to 360 size of 1.88/1.60 and with some pocket porting to open the bowl,the small ports will keep volosity up and have more flow with the bigger valves. 360 heads flow more on top but lower comp ratio but with the right cam can be made to work on upper rpm #302 head will up the comp ratio,make more torque on the lower rpm of your stock bottom end if you went with complet newer engine you would be ahead by running a retro roller cam in the stock long block I just picked up a 91' pre-mag roller cam TBI 318 with swirl port fast burn closed chamber 9.0 to 1 comp ratio for my 85 stepside engine swap. i will be swaping in the lanati VooDoo roller cam and springs along with a LD4B intake(matches 318 head ports) with 600 cfm carb and headers should be a peppy little 318 by monday #302 heads 85 to 91 some later ones may have a diff casting # but as long as they are heart shaped combustion chambers its the same thing.
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Re: Budget 318 head options for my project truck?
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Don't forget B-vans. Any 318 2 barrel from 86 thru 91 should have the 302s. I have managed to hoard 4 sets of these, and I don't think I spent more than a hundred bucks on any set.
As for magnum heads, these would require special lifters due to the way the rockers are oiled vs the way the LA rockers are oiled. With the 302s, it's just: 1)buy gaskets 2)install 3)smoke tires
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Re: Budget 318 head options for my project truck?
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Don't forget B-vans. Any 318 2 barrel from 86 thru 91 should have the 302s. I have managed to hoard 4 sets of these, and I don't think I spent more than a hundred bucks on any set.
As for magnum heads, these would require special lifters due to the way the rockers are oiled vs the way the LA rockers are oiled. With the 302s, it's just: 1)buy gaskets 2)install 3)smoke tires
"special lifters" meaning any aftermarket lifter that also cross references to an AMC application, which is pretty much every aftermarket lifter.
going to 302 heads, they won't flow any better than your open chamber 318 heads. the 1/2 to 3/4 point increase in compression won't net much power improvement, maybe 2-3% max.
I'd go with junkyard magnum heads, and redrill them to LA intake angle. get junkyard 2.2L spring retainers, and then get hughes #1110 valve springs. a comp XE256 or a lunati voodoo 60401 would be a nice cam for your combo.
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Re: Budget 318 head options for my project truck?
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Thanks for the info. I'm going to check out some local pick-a-part wrecking yards. I'm sure I can find a set of 302's. What is going price for basically a "core" set of heads? I'd like to go to a 11/32 stem valve and increase intake and exhaust dia. But that starts Adding $$ up qucik witht he extra machine work. Kind of defeats the intent. But I'll port match, and blend the bowls. Maybe have them surfaced. Run the thinner head gasket? Should work better then the stock 76 318 heads. Josh-
well, magnums are 1.92/1.625 with 5/16" valve stems already...I personally wouldn't sweat it if you did get a pair that was cracked (mine off a '94 5.2L weren't), as long as there are no water leaks when pressure tested
once you get into new (smaller stem) valves, and the corresponding new valve guides, machine work, and a new spring package for a hotter cam, you might as well get these: hughes LA intake "Iron Ram" enginequest heads
granted, 2 years ago, they were $150/pr cheaper....
depending on what they used for a spring package, these may not be a bad deal, either. just stay away from the really cheap "New" magnum heads on ebay, those are a chinese pro-comp head, very poor quality.
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Re: Budget 318 head options for my project truck?
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Thanks, that gives me an idea what to spend. Not going the magnum route. I want to stay at maybe $300-400 in head work. With the headers, 276/286 .441 cam, new springs, increase in compression. performer intake and Holly 650. It will run decent enough to cruise around and with the 3.91 gears in the back it will be fun.
The 360 will get bored and new pistons a 290 cam of some sort and will replace the 318 in about a year.
If I really want to get crazy I have a 340 with Brodix BA-B1's that have been milled down to 48cc chambers. Fully ported by Koffels, Eagle rods, roller cam, 1050 dominator etc, etc. but's that's a whole different story.
Thanks for all the info guys... Josh-
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