Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this?
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Lots of variables - RPM, clearances, etc. Quality and viscosity of oil can also be factored in. But I've been using stock p/u's in my current car since 1999 with Amsoil viscosities as low as 5w-30 with no issues. 6,700+ regularly and the pump is OEM pressure & volume! Oops! Make that 5w-20. Very mild porting/polishing of the OEM passage in the pump and main cap can help a bit.
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Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this?
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My motor starving for oil. The book "How to build SB engines says that the pick up tube is too small. Will two pick up tubes work.
lets hear all your views, Please Thanks
There is a reason for all things mechanically that fail, why is your motor running out of oil? Fix that and go on and have some fun. Maybe we need some more information as far as what your doing,IE drag racing, street, truck pulling, circle racing or?
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Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this?
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My first question would be what oil pan are you using? I and several friends have used a blueprinted stock pump in many combo's with success. Are you using a Hi Vol pump and the oil not draining back fast enough?
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Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this?
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It takes a lot of oil to keep up with the 360 main bearings. I have had shops try to set it up with too much clearance and it would pump the pan dry with a high volume pump. Alway ran a high volume with the 360 mains I ran. I would however try a standard pump with 340 mains.
Are you sure the plug in the drivers side rear of the oil galley is in place. I have seen many left out and had big problems. I also ran a roller cam with the oil galley tubed. Ran Harland SHarps and restricted oil to the heads also. Holley #66 main jet works great on the Passenger side and #72 on the drivers side. The cam I ran had the journal ground to oil the rockers full time. Spun that puppy 8400 in the quarter with no problems.
I think you have clearance extremes or oil control problems that are not getting the oil back to the pan. Wait, truck pans are only 6 quarts. Will a KEVCO pan work they are bigger. Probably 8 quarts.
Another thing if you are running too much ignition timing you may be beating the oil out of the bearings.
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Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this?
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Well that is an interesting question, 'Is it not draining back to the pan?" How would I know ?? Its a stock truck pan. no mods to it.
11 second car, about 6500 spinning, foot brakin. The bearings show flaking and the typical signs of starvation. New HV pump
Is it baffled????
True ... all the pans I make have baffles to keep the oil at the pick up
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Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this?
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If either one loses prime, the other one stops pulling oil.
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Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this?
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it looks like your treating the symptom and not the root cause. solve the oil pan issue, the drain back issue and make sure you have the proper oil clearance for the bearings and the stock size pickup will be more than adequate.
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Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this?
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http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showthread.php?t=103623BTW there is 9 quarts of oil in the Canton 7 quart pan and the level still shows to be 1/2 quart low on the dipstick from the stock oil level.
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Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this?
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Aftermarket pans are designed to run oil at a lower level to reduce windage. If you put 9 quarts in a 7 quart pan you running your oil at a higher level than what the pan manufacturer intended not matter what the stick you throw away on a race engine says.LOL
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Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this?
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Yeah, I realize that, I was just saying. Anyway, I'm not worried about making every last little horsepower, I'm more interested in longevity.
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Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this?
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Haven't ever tried the two pick ups yet. Don't know about pan getting sucked dry...this block had oiling mods done to it. orifices drilled out, large deep chamfer to the crank, balanced bottom end , all new parts. Have built new motors with high dollar pans and waste the bearings in them in no time. I know alot of the little tricks to helping the SB live butstill, its up to GOD if they live.
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Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this?
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If its a stock truck pan. Thats your problem.
I have ran and seen regular old run of the mill Milodon and Moroso center sump pans run into the 9s with a stock pump with the usual mods.
I had a 88 Dakota pickup with a truck pan on it. Run it into the 11s with no problems but after I got into the 10s and eventually 9s there was no way that would have worked with no baffles.
I also have ran rear sump pans on my dragsters and had oil control problems in the shut down.
Are you watching your oil pressure gauge after you lift at the finish?
I bet its dropping or going to zero.
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Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this?
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Sounds like you have built a lot of engines off your eyeball and feel. I think ya need, and I mean NEED to get some mics, and bore guages and check things out.
I am running a precision pump thats blueprinted, and polished inside. My block it opened up on all the oil galleys, Ive spent hours with a diegrinder, and a flap wheel blending all my return holes, I have painted the inside with glyptol to aid in returning oil, have screens epoxied in the valley to keep any broken parts from going down farther than I like, and I have made sure all my clearances are dead on, not close, but dead on what my machinist recomended for the oil I run.
I run a charlies 9 qt pan, and with 9qts in it it still reads 1 qt low. I dont run it brimmed off, and I have never had an oil psi issue. If anything im a bit on the high side, but at temp its reading 85 on higher rpm, and 30 at idle.
Im a solid roller set up, and I have pleanty of oil to my rockers and pushrod cups.
Not to sound like a dick, but I think Id be checking my eyes, and feelers, or getting some tools to make sure you didnt miss something.
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Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this?
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Mics and bore gauges is what my machine shops are for. payin good money to ensure stuff is right from the beginning
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Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this?
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Famous last words from many people.
I NEVER trust anyone on their work. I check every rod, every pin bushing, everything with my own measurments. That way the machinist cant say, "you should have checked it"...
This is what pisses me off with some of these posts. You have a history of engine failure, and you dont want to measure things after they are machined. Yes you may have them right on, but ya know then you may have a good GM machinist, and a crappy mopar machinist. Why be a bone head?
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Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this?
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To be honest, clearances were checked by eyeball and feel.
I would start here.....
Yep, the problem has been discovered .
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Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this?
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My thread was to solicit info or opinions about the 2 pick up pump. If anyone's got thoughts please hollar. All responses appreciated. My stuff has put me in the winners circle. I've gone 9.70's with a 418. Wouldn't have 30 years of racing to me credit if I was a Jethro Bo Dean
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Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this?
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My thread was to solicit info or opinions about the 2 pick up pump. If anyone's got thoughts please hollar. All responses appreciated.
My stuff has put me in the winners circle. I've gone 9.70's with a 418. Wouldn't have 30 years of racing to me credit if I was a Jethro Bo Dean
Then You of all people SHOULD understand where we are comeing from on the aspect of proper measurments, and specs. As for the twin pickup deal, it should work, but as stated you are sucking the pan dry as is with a single pickup, so i dont see the puckup as the issue. Might just get a deeper pan, and more copacity.
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Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this?
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My thread was to solicit info or opinions about the 2 pick up pump. If anyone's got thoughts please hollar. All responses appreciated.
My stuff has put me in the winners circle. I've gone 9.70's with a 418. Wouldn't have 30 years of racing to me credit if I was a Jethro Bo Dean
Myself I would pass on the double pick ups... as stated, if one sucks air its done... I havent ever had a problem with a single stock pick up... I do extend them when I deepen the pans plus I install baffles in the pan to keep the oil down there instead of rolling up the back wall or the front on braking
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Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this?
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My thread was to solicit info or opinions about the 2 pick up pump. If anyone's got thoughts please hollar. All responses appreciated.
My stuff has put me in the winners circle. I've gone 9.70's with a 418. Wouldn't have 30 years of racing to me credit if I was a Jethro Bo Dean
But how many more times would you have been in the winner's circle and/or possibly gone even faster if your engines would have stayed together for a "reasonable" amount of time? (Not to mention how much money you could have saved.) Being a good driver or tuner doesn't matter much if the engine doesn't run.
There is probably 300 years of racing and engine building experience in this thread telling you that your problem is solvable without experimenting with "trick" parts. If you have lost a lot of engines in the last 30 years, then you may very well have been doing something wrong. It might be by just a little bit, which would explain why some may not have had problems. But it's that "little bit" one way or the other that will make the difference. Measuring things all but eliminates that variable.
Get all the measurements and clearances checked and get a good baffled pan. What can it hurt?
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Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this?
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My thread was to solicit info or opinions about the 2 pick up pump. If anyone's got thoughts please hollar. All responses appreciated.
My stuff has put me in the winners circle. I've gone 9.70's with a 418. Wouldn't have 30 years of racing to me credit if I was a Jethro Bo Dean
It's already been said, but I'll repeat it: If the pan goes dry with one pick up, adding another isn't the answer. You have a problem(s) elsewhere. Please consider the constructive critism I'm about to offer. You say the clearances were obtained by "look" (how's that possible) and "feel"...and you also say you've had many that have died due to lack of oil/oil starvation. Me thinks the two might have something in common...
I say that, simply because MANY have screwed together a SBM with common (BAFFLED pan, Melling pump) parts, no or few oiling mods and they have lived normal healthy lives.
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Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this?
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The MP engine book shows a kit car pump that had 2 lines going to 1 pickup.
See attach.
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Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this?
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In a combination like yours I see no need for a Hi Volume pump, and running one with a standard pan is just asking for trouble IMO. I will also say that you've far too much too assumption, which is probably the root cause of these issues you are having. I wouldn't put an engine together without checking everything, nor would I pay anyone to do so unless I knew they did the same. Machinists are human and make mistakes, which you will never pick up if you don't check it yourself. The oiling system in small blocks is pretty good for most builds and I have not come across any oiling issues in the past when some common sense is applied. We've (My group of friends) have run a few small blocks running times as you've described. The only mods to the oiling system is a deburring of the entry and exit of the cap and oil pump, a quick deburr of the lifter valley and internally paint the block. Solid lifter, revved to 7K with regular oil changes, the bearings look like when they were installed. A good pan was always a must, and blueprinting the standard Melling pump.
I think the two most prominent points have been
1/. Put a larger, baffled oil pan on. I think you have under estimated how much oil actually sits in the block, especially with your enlarged galleries etc.
2/. Check your clearances are correct.I mean everything, Main and Big end, lifter, anything related to the oiling system. Don't assume, assumptions generally cost you time and money in my experience. If this is an engine someone has paid you to put together, it is going to hurt your reputation while you are at it.
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Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this?
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Thanks Colt340 for the diagram. Wonder why people/company's have been trying to modify oil pump intake capacity?? Its because the little SB needs that and everything else it can get to help it oil.
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Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this?
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Wonder why people/company's have been trying to modify oil pump intake capacity??
Its because the little SB needs that and everything else it can get to help it oil.
It depends on the HP, rpm and application (drag, road racing, circle track, etc.). One has to know what is needed, not just go by what a company says. Companies try to sell things so they can make a profit. Some things are bad, some can't hurt and some do help. But the blanket statement "the little SB needs that and everything else it can get to help it oil" is simply wrong. It sounds like a comment from a Chevy fan! There are plenty of strong running small block Mopars that don't have anything fancy done to their oiling systems.
I've been racing for 33+ years and continue to learn new things, including from here, on moparts. People are trying to help and offer different perspectives. Take some of the advice.
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You guys crack me up. Congrats on your 33 years of racing but dude, i'm not impressed with condescending posts or your insistance that I bow to your persistant drumming of what you think I need to do to fix my oiling problem. I say again... I was not looking for advice on what might cause bearing failure or anything else other than if folks had any experience with a two pick up pump. I got the rest covered.
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You guys crack me up.
Congrats on your 33 years of racing but dude, i'm not impressed with condescending posts or your insistance that I bow to your persistant drumming of what you think I need to do to fix my oiling problem. I say again... I was not looking for advice on what might cause bearing failure or anything else other than if folks had any experience with a two pick up pump.
I got the rest covered.
the only dual pickup small block pump setup i've ever seen was a cobbled up mess, kind of like the one pictured in this thread. that was many years ago. i'm not sure where that idea came from, but it was a bad one for sure. the guy apparently had several engine failures and other issues he had been trying to overcome. obviously he got a rude awakening... eventually he brought the engine to us as a basket case to repair. as i recall, he was running a 6 quart pan with a hi volume pump on a high rpm 340. there wasn't much left in that engine that was useable. it had spun bearings, bent factory crank, and a whole host of other problems. i can assure you that when we built a new combo we didn't use dual pickups. we ran a baffled 8 quart pan, a hi-volume pump, standard oiling mods on a combo that made near 700 HP and went through the traps at 7800 rpm regularly. freshen up's are every 3 years since he only puts about 150-170 passes a year on it. take from that experience what you want. i realize it might not be what you want to hear, but consider yourself informed. may people here are trying to steer you in the right direction. you have an odd way of showing your gratitude, Dude.
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There is nothing COBBLED about it. It is a fine piece of craftsmanship. if y'all don't like it then great, pass on the idea. It appears greater minds than mine worked on the idea some years before. Don't be afraid of things off the beaten path. If u haven't tried it then u don't know if its a good idea or not so peace out. I don't need to hear any more success stories about who has done what to this and that. I GOT MY OWN ENGINE SUCCESS STORIES. Hear this. there hasn't been a suggestion or a story or a method offered up from y'all that I haven't used, thought of, improved on, researched, or tested myself. Its all good in my neighborhood. For all u professional haters, quit lookin for pats on the back.
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From your origional post I could tell you have this issue as a unsuccessfull "try" at racing, and MANY very experianced engine BUILDERS in this thread have told you where you have issues, and your issue isnt going to be repaired by a stupid dual pick up design that obviously dosnt work. If it did work it would be in every Ryan J engine, Dan Costello engine, Competition wedge, or Brian from the west coasts engines. YOU my friend have a very interesting way of going about getting an issue fixed. You have it in your head that you need this dual puck up, so go ahead and do that, continue to not double check your stuff, and continue to post threads on here when your 33 years of racing and engine fun fail you once more. Because my friend, from what I am reading you are going to continue to have "issues" and they arent oil pick up related.
Stop being so hard nosed, and take some very good and well layed out advice from a lot of very tallented, and very thoughtfull guys on here. Your ignorant responds to some very good points on here tell me your gonna continue to have problems. I can tell you one thing, Im glad I have Dan at performance onlys number in my phone because that guy knows his [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean], and Id never second guess his recomendations.
Oh, and If I had the room Id have a swinging pickup in my pan inside a baffled box. I loved my swinging pichup we used.
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You guys crack me up.
Congrats on your 33 years of racing but dude, i'm not impressed with condescending posts or your insistance that I bow to your persistant drumming of what you think I need to do to fix my oiling problem. I say again... I was not looking for advice on what might cause bearing failure or anything else other than if folks had any experience with a two pick up pump.
I got the rest covered.
I think you should maybe go with 3 or even 4 pickups that way you'll be 3 or 4 times as good
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Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this?
[Re: Racebuddy]
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08/26/11 12:08 AM
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Hey moparnut426 did u not just read the previous post from the roundtrack guy who said he always used dual pickups?? Whats your big response to that?? Don't have one? You just waiting to see what one of your heroes thinks first so u can agree with them from afar?
Why don't u call him hard headed and foolished too? C'mon let's hear it, tell him how stupid he is and how he should listen to YOU cause read it on Moparts.
Evidently this MOPAR round tracker has found a practical application for a dual pick up set up and it performs the function as he needs it to. U wanna gripe about the result cause the execution doesn't suit your vision?
Take an ambien, you don't impress me.
Yeah he is one of thousands on here. You have a buddy!! sweet for you.
Hes dirt trackin your suposedly drag racing. AND your problem is NOT the pick up, its your head. Now pull it outa your pooper, and deal with the issue at hand. IGNORANCE!
how that for a BIG RESPONCE.... DUDE..
And that guys stuff is still together,,,prolly cause he can read a MIC, and a dial indicator.
Im not trying to impress you, DOnt give a crap, just cant believe how bad you have tunnelvision.
Kasey
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Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this?
[Re: Racebuddy]
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08/26/11 12:10 AM
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2 pick ups is fine.
I wouldn't know where to plum any more pick up tubes there mr p brain
I understand your just a moron and you can help it but if you could just open your little brain up to some KNOWN FACTS it could help you... but since you dont even check anything on a engine build it doesnt suprize me in the slightest.... continue blowing up your JUNK
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Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this?
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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08/26/11 12:22 AM
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You can check out my JUNK on the Muncie dragway website. check out the Pro winner for 8-20-2011. the winner is sporting one of my engines in her 67 Rambler. When was the last time one of u bitches won anything?? thats what I thought. Put that in ur pipe and smoke it. I'M OUT kisses
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Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this?
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08/26/11 12:22 AM
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it's pretty strange of you to ask for help, and then when you don't like what people have to say you become offensive. not only is it a shame, but it's also quite telling. i'm sure after seeing this debacle unfold people will be jumping at the chance to help you in the future. maybe you just need a vacation.
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Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this?
[Re: Racebuddy]
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08/26/11 12:25 AM
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You can check out my JUNK on the Muncie dragway website. check out the Pro winner for 8-20-2011. the winner is sporting one of my engines in her 67 Rambler.
When was the last time one of u bitches won anything??
thats what I thought. Put that in ur pipe and smoke it. I'M OUT kisses
You sound more and more like one of those POPOFFS from the bullet. Are you sure you arent running a Chevy, you sound like ya do.
LATER dude..
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Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this?
[Re: Racebuddy]
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08/26/11 12:33 AM
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You can check out my JUNK on the Muncie dragway website. check out the Pro winner for 8-20-2011. the winner is sporting one of my engines in her 67 Rambler.
When was the last time one of u bitches won anything??
thats what I thought. Put that in ur pipe and smoke it. I'M OUT kisses
Oh I have won plenty...I have the pics to prove it... not like some BS... oh I built the engine thats in the winners circle... like thats really gonna happen when you dont check a damn thing..... your the one thats blowing up your junk.... not me.... what a idiot... just do what ever you feel like... you didnt want to hear what you wanted
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Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this?
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08/26/11 12:46 AM
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Well come on down and go racing with us. Saturday's winner in Pro was my 65 yr old mother Mean Donna Jean Heigle in her 67 Rambler. Yeah dude check it out. i confess I did build that motor three years ago. OOOOHHHH I bet that hurts. Still got nuthin but love for ya all
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Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this?
[Re: Moparnut426]
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08/26/11 12:48 AM
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Hey Mike, Ya ever wonder why the post office sucks,
Here is a prime example, they never check anything.
It isnt gonna make any difference by responding, though it great fun, he isnt gonna listen to logic.
Kasey
No... he'll never catch on... when you get that smart (can you say idiot) if he doesnt hear what he wants to hear then the whole world is dumb The dual pick he showed was a bad idea but the pic that was shown later is good... it had a single pick up point (larger) with dual inlets to the pump... that way it would only pick up air if the pan was dry unlike his version
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Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this?
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08/26/11 01:03 AM
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Yeah thanks Drago. now u r my second friend in the whole world. Sometimes we try things and they work, sometimes it will fail, but i think it is an intriguing idea to investigate and try. The simpletons here on this site and their limited imagination refuse to embrace new theory and/or better ways to build mouse traps. My dual pick up idea is in the infancy stage. I presented the premise to the very knowledgable and proven MOPARTS members here looking for some acute observation about the theoretical application of this dual pick up. They missed the point entirely and have worked themselves up into a fury because they can't see outside from under their own hood. Thanks Drago for pointing out that there are others out there that have grasped this concept and have a history of it working in a SB chrysler. Cheers Mate
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Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this?
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08/26/11 01:22 AM
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Well now, its ok to have a dual pick up for road racing or circle track racing but... I certainly have to be a big friggin idiot to think about using one in drag racing huh??
oh and now P Brain recollects articles on it...
hard acceleration? yeah I have that in drag racing, hard braking? yeah I have been known to slam them on at the line. Whats the difference dude?
Sorry U lose this arguement
Hey idiot... the item that that 340 colt shown was the released pick up.... thats a SINGLE pick up with 2 lines entering into the pump.... try your version and see what happens... bet you blow up another engine... I'm positive I have more R&D work than you will ever have
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Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this?
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08/26/11 02:00 AM
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yes I am aware of that P Brain, i saw the diagram of it posted. I may try that.
Yes u r the R and D champion of the world, i do not dispute that. but u don't know it all.
its ok if somebody knows something u don't
There are PLENTY of people that know more than me... but your not one of them.... now if you want to stop your BS you COULD learn something... not from me because I dont care what you do, but there are plenty of smart people that WERE trying to help you... with your no more than a stock rpm engine that keeps blowing up...... good luck
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Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this?
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08/26/11 07:26 AM
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Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this?
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08/26/11 09:35 AM
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Its no use Guys, Mr postmans already gone Postal. Gutar Jones nailed it with the youtube post. Failure to comunicate. Hard to get through years and years of, "im the man" "Im right, your wrong" "me me me me me" Unbelievable! Kasey
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Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this?
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08/26/11 09:55 AM
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Just mount this on the hood
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Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this?
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08/26/11 10:13 AM
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a dual pick up works, I used one back in about 1988 or so , but you need to route both tubes to one pick up and control oil with a good pan. If its needed is a different story...
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Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this?
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08/26/11 10:19 AM
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a dual pick up works, I used one back in about 1988 or so , but you need to route both tubes to one pick up and control oil with a good pan. If its needed is a different story...
What your saying is you had 1 pick up and 2 supply lines basically like what was shown in the attachment and yes that single pick up is fine
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Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this?
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08/26/11 10:45 AM
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Oh well thanks for your blessing Mr P Body, now u can hang with us cool kids.
I'm not giving you any blessing and I prefer not to hang with you .... and I really doubt your cool... do what ever you want and when it blows up maybe you will look else where next time
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Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this?
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08/26/11 10:55 AM
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thanks for the post Leon. i am going to modify the pan or go to a different pan all together, which has been my plan. i am real limited to the pan design because of the chassis of the Rambler with this chrylser motor in in. Its got to be a truck pan. I had the pump cap and pick up made. The strainer is exact dimension of a milodon. Not even sure yet how my two pickup pump fits into the pan or if it will. If it doesn't then i will run the 2 line feed into one pick up. I like that idea pretty good too. My original plan was to block off the stock pick up orifice. Changing cranks, putting the cast Eagle in it. It only costs $240 and they carry better oil pressure than stock cranks.
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Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this?
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08/26/11 12:26 PM
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thanks for the post Leon. i am going to modify the pan or go to a different pan all together, which has been my plan.
i am real limited to the pan design because of the chassis of the Rambler with this chrylser motor in in. Its got to be a truck pan.
I had the pump cap and pick up made. The strainer is exact dimension of a milodon. Not even sure yet how my two pickup pump fits into the pan or if it will. If it doesn't then i will run the 2 line feed into one pick up. I like that idea pretty good too. My original plan was to block off the stock pick up orifice.
Changing cranks, putting the cast Eagle in it. It only costs $240 and they carry better oil pressure than stock cranks.
Isn't that like building kitchen cabinets without measuring the kitchen? Good luck with the Eagle cast crank, when it breaks don't blame whatever oil pickup you have.
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Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this?
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08/26/11 12:36 PM
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thanks for the post Leon. i am going to modify the pan or go to a different pan all together, which has been my plan.
i am real limited to the pan design because of the chassis of the Rambler with this chrylser motor in in. Its got to be a truck pan.
I had the pump cap and pick up made. The strainer is exact dimension of a milodon. Not even sure yet how my two pickup pump fits into the pan or if it will. If it doesn't then i will run the 2 line feed into one pick up. I like that idea pretty good too. My original plan was to block off the stock pick up orifice.
Changing cranks, putting the cast Eagle in it. It only costs $240 and they carry better oil pressure than stock cranks.
Isn't that like building kitchen cabinets without measuring the kitchen? Good luck with the Eagle cast crank, when it breaks don't blame whatever oil pickup you have.
There si a few posts of first hand results from those JUNK eagle cranks. Just plan on it breaking, not if but when! And as for the oil pick ups, You might have to get crafty and build a pan with baffles, and trap doors for the chassis. that way it to your liking, and you will have copacity that you lack now.
Good luck on the crank. I wouldnt use 2 things from eagle, Cast crank, and SIR rods. Both are a guarentee failure, just a matter of when.
I realize there is a risk of any manufacturers parts failing, but you have a better chance with a factory crank, and rods than a cast eagle crank.
I think you are just saying this crap on here, laying back and laughing when everyone posts how moronic you are being. You probly dont even want to run a twin pickup, you just like the drauma.
Or you are just really that ignorant.
Kasey
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Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this?
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08/26/11 12:54 PM
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I have just read this thread...You come here asking for advice and you got it. What I see is that you don't want to listen. Lots of good people replied,whom I trust!! Do what you want but don't do anymore name calling...That is a real good way to take a Moparts vacation..Ted
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Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this?
[Re: Racebuddy]
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08/26/11 01:59 PM
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working on the oil control problem is exactly what I am doing gentleman.
not using 2 pick ups on one tube.Either using 2 pick ups or one pick up with 2 tubes. look at the picture from post number one please
Does anyone on here have a simple diagram of a basic hydraulic system. A pressureized oiling system is basically like a hydrailic system without any cylinders. If air ever gets in the system it causes cavitation regardless if there is 2 separate placed to sump oil from. Its like a soda straw, poke a hole inn it, and is sucks to suck through. Air causes air bubbles, or voids in the oil, causing cavitation, causing oil starvation causing wear on the pump rotors, and causing connecting rods to exit stage left.
2 sumps are only going to work if they BOTH never lose suction, and of you are already sucking a pan dry with one, 2 will suck more, causing the problem to happen sooner. I think this is where you arent quite getting the idea. unless oil returns faster, and you have MORE area to hold more oil, you will not change anything, but make it worse.
we need a beating the dead horse smiley.
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Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this?
[Re: Moparnut426]
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08/26/11 02:31 PM
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Mr Moparnut426 I got 4 or 5 cast Eagles. running 2 of them now. one stock stroke one 4 inch stroke. Only problem with one of those being with the snout and key groove. Please don't wish bad luck on me with those cause everythings been cool. i have disintegrated 2 MP cast stroker cranks, I don't use them anymore. I like K-1 rods. They will work in whatever i throw them in.I bought a couple of sets of those off of Dan Costello, (whom has been bashing me hard here on Moparts about my dual pick up) Dyer's rods are about the best I have used but very expensive. No SIR rods, ever. yes there has been some hearty laughter from this end. My pump is the real deal, I'm just in the developmental stages with it but rest assured, pass or fail Ima gona try it my friend. I have to prepare EVERYTHING around/with it to ensure its success. too bad your short sightedness won't let u on board.
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Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this?
[Re: Racebuddy]
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08/26/11 03:30 PM
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You bought junk from Dan??
I bought a couple sets of K-1 rods from him i thought they were outstanding. I hope he will help me with my next purchase.
I seriously doubt if your running high dollar cranks like Bryant or Callies. Name calling?? Go back and read your posts and count the number of times u threw a name my way. PLEAZE
i can tell your more of a wannabe, but thats ok, guy like you has to reach for the stars
The crank in the 588 I sold has a callies crank inn it, the 355 chevy I built for my buddies dirt latemodel has a bryant crank inn it, and king rods. I dont build cheap stuff. The 355 zings 78-8800 for 35laps on a 3/8 mile track. You calling me a liar?
PLEASE!!
Kasey
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