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Re: '69 Charger 500 Color change question [Re: cdp] #106004
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I agree to a point. I would never do a color change on a desirable color just because I didn;t like it! Meaning if you have an original Plumb Crazy/B5 Blue/or Panther Pink car and happen to hate the color please get another car. On the other hand, if it was originally gold or F3 green (as was mine) then change away to YOUR hearts content.

Regarding numbers, if I see a really nice hemicuda and I am admiring it, I WILL look at the tag for the "R" and the paint code for the original color--am I soured if I see BH23G instead of BS23R? No....but I am more impressed with the real car. Thats life. True rarities are admirable.

Re: '69 Charger 500 Color change question [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #106005
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I agree to a point. I would never do a color change on a desirable color just because I didn;t like it! Meaning if you have an original Plumb Crazy/B5 Blue/or Panther Pink car and happen to hate the color please get another car. On the other hand, if it was originally gold or F3 green (as was mine) then change away to YOUR hearts content.

Regarding numbers, if I see a really nice hemicuda and I am admiring it, I WILL look at the tag for the "R" and the paint code for the original color--am I soured if I see BH23G instead of BS23R? No....but I am more impressed with the real car. Thats life. True rarities are admirable.






Regarding desirable colors.....perhaps gold or F3 green is desirable to an other person, and plumcrazy, panther, or B5 blue is not.......your baseing that decision, based on what the market wants today,....tommorrow's another story


It's funny how people dismiss a well executed "restoration" or "clone", when they find out it has the so-called "wrong" numbers displayed.....I just don't get it......goes to show how easy the "human condition" is easy to "condition"

Right now,...the "numbers gods" would hate me,.....as I'm "altering" an original smblk FM3 rubber bumper, NUMBERS MATCHING hardtop Cuda',,,,into a 440/6 SHAKER equipped Cuda'......painting it black with a white interior.......it's what the customer wants!........first thing to go was the driveline......to the junk yard!......so as you can see, value is in the eye of the owner, so what one man values, another does not?......

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Re: '69 Charger 500 Color change question [Re: DAYCLONA] #106006
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NEVER change the color on a Charger 500 (or Daytona) . The following for the aero cars is so strict that most people who collect them, want the car to be "correct" . Now, if you have a 74 Barracuda and don't like the color, that's a whole different story.
It kind of reminds me of this story. Several years ago, a guy from Texas called me wanting advice about installing A/C in his Superbird.
My advice was simple , "don't do it" .
I told him to roll his windows down, or sell the car to someone that will appreciate the car for what it is . He got pretty mad at me, but that's the way I see it .
If you bought a Picasso painting , and it didn't match the color of your living room wall , would you add a few dabs and swirles of paint so that it looks like what YOU want it to look like ?!
I am all about preserving history instead of altering it , but that's just me.


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Re: '69 Charger 500 Color change question [Re: DAYCLONA] #106007
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A lot of ya'll have referrenced different cars, 69 SE, FM3 SB Cuda (reads 318/904 or it wouldn't have gone to a boneyard). Although I'm sure they are nice cars, they are no where near the value of a 69 500 and simply by that fact are not subject to the same drop in value due to a color change. The common guy who wants an old fast muscle car isn't going to opt for a high dollar rarity just because of a pretty color, these cars are bought by the true enthuiast that has the change to appreciate a "one of" car or just a pure investor (although not lately, thankfully). I am a car guy because of cars, I have built many a car out of the bineyard and still visit them regularly, I have been fortunate in the past to puchase some "special" cars before they got silly, I do however have to recognize their value and my investment. The only auto Mopar I have is a 69 R/T Charger, which I would love to make a 4 spd, but even though I don't intend to sell it, I will not change it over (partially because I have 4 other 4 spd Mopars). You can be a car guy and still be financially responsible with the investment factor.


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Re: '69 Charger 500 Color change question [Re: MCTPhoenix] #106008
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This car is F8 with matching interior and the white stripe across the rump. There are TWO other F8 green 500's here in Arizona, a 440 auto car and the other with a hemi and 4 speed. Getting all three together would be interesting... but very green. I'll probably end up selling it soon after it's done. I've always wanted a wing car and selling this will be the only avenue towards getting one. ( I think B5 with white interior is sounding pretty good )



B5 blue with white guts would look good
BUT on a C500 go back to F8 (whats on tag)
youll be glad you did
green was very popular with early tree huggers and returning GIs but it took nads to get a sublime car back in the day
if your going to flip the car do it right
if you going to drive it do your on thing
and enjoy

Re: '69 Charger 500 Color change question [Re: BigMoneyLewis] #106009
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NEVER change the color on a Charger 500 (or Daytona) . The following for the aero cars is so strict that most people who collect them, want the car to be "correct"



. Now, if you have a 74 Barracuda and don't like the color, that's a whole different story.


WHY?.......would that be a different story.....I'd like to know?



Do you think the owner of this Superbird owner considered the originality of his paint choice?..........thank god he didn't,...the car looks awesome in BLACK!........another case of who cares what everyone else thinks,....I'm doing it my way!

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Re: '69 Charger 500 Color change question [Re: mopar346] #106010
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A lot of ya'll have referrenced different cars, 69 SE, FM3 SB Cuda (reads 318/904 or it wouldn't have gone to a boneyard).







Was a 340/ 727 Auto, been sitting TOO LONG....... so you'd be surprised how many 440 forgedcrank motors,.....and 383 motors, I tossed in the pile,.....just too many laying around.......you'd cringe if I told you bout the half dozen or so 71 cuda grilles that you couldn't give away in the early 80's that I busted up back then and tossed in the trash!....(now those I wish I kept!)..in fact I just tossed about 4 sets of BB heads..........some stuff isn't worth keeping?


....sometimes you have to kull the herd

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Re: '69 Charger 500 Color change question [Re: DAYCLONA] #106011
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I thought you were referring to a recent alteration, but I am surprised there was ever a time to throw out a 340 even one of the later cast crank ones. 383s I could see as they were common enough and at a time even a steel crank 440. Next time you need to throw out some 906 BB heads I need a few extra sets.


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Re: '69 Charger 500 Color change question [Re: DAYCLONA] #106012
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The 500's were available in the following Blue's in 1969.

B3 (1 that I know of that was built)
B5 (16 that I know of that were built)
B7 (2 that I know of that were built)


The F8 green however was a popular color in 1969. Of the cars I've looked at over the years, it is the 2nd most popular color.

Re: '69 Charger 500 Color change question [Re: DAYCLONA] #106013
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NEVER change the color on a Charger 500 (or Daytona) . The following for the aero cars is so strict that most people who collect them, want the car to be "correct"



. Now, if you have a 74 Barracuda and don't like the color, that's a whole different story.


WHY?.......would that be a different story.....I'd like to know?



Do you think the owner of this Superbird owner considered the originality of his paint choice?..........thank god he didn't,...the car looks awesome in BLACK!........another case of who cares what everyone else thinks,....I'm doing it my way!





Let's look at it this way, if you are going to alter or "screw something up" it's ALWAYS best to do it with something of much less value .
If you decided to install a 460 Ford engine in your Mopar,and the interior from a 73 Gran Torino because YOU like Ford engines and the look of the Ford interior, which would be a better car to do it with. A 74 Charger 318 car,
or a 70 Charger R/T SE 440 six pack sunroof car ?
See where I am going with this ?
If you just MUST screw something up, it's ALWAYS best to do it to a car of much lesser value.
Like it or not, certain cars are pure collectables now. Nobody is going to own their car forever, and at some point , even if you don't sell, your widow or children will . Don't you want the car to sell for what it should , instead of much less, because it has to be taken totally apart and re-pained inside and out to be correct ? Now it doesn't really matter if you change the original color on your FF8 70 coronet
500 318 car , because the car is only going to be worth X dollars no matter what you do . However, if you have a 70 Coronet R/T convertible 4-speed
4.10 dana , ramcharger hood, FF8, your best bet is to keep it FF8 . Would it look good EK2 Go Mango with white interior, you damn right it would! But, certain cars should be preserved as they were built . That's the way I feel about it .
I remember seeing a '69 GTX convertible , factory
triple black car, that was re-painted Limelight FJ5 at a show some years back . I think he hurt the value "a lil bit" , but I guess all that matters is that the current owner likes it .
As far as the black Superbird, If I were in the market to buy a bird, this would certainly not be
on my list of possible buys, unless the price was heavily discounted . Does it look good in black, sure. Does the incorrect paint hurt the value, you bet it does. There will be some buyers who would like it because it looks "cool" and "different" but many more will pass because it is not correct . That's just the way it is.
I don't make the rules of human nature when they apply to buying/selling collectables .
People don't want to buy a victorian home built in 1890 if some goober has altered the original appearance by painting it pink and purple , no matter how "cool" the owner thought it would look.
What else can I say, We just don't see eye to eye on this subject .
I will say this . IF someone truely doesn't give a damn about respecting their medium or high dollar collectable car for what it is ,
and does not mind lowering the cars value ,then by all means , do whatever you want to it. It is your car to do with as you please, even if that means leaving it outside with the windows down for 10 years .
Do as you please.


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Re: '69 Charger 500 Color change question [Re: BigMoneyLewis] #106014
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Another thing to consider is that it gives a potential buyer something to negotiate with.


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Re: '69 Charger 500 Color change question [Re: mopar346] #106015
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A few thoughts :

To answer the PM's I've gotten, it's all numbers matching, 440, Auto, A/C, PS, Pwr Discs, Cruise, Rocker moldings, AmFm, Rear defogger, 3.23 sure grip, Exhaust tips, Tach, Woodgrain wheel, console.

The guy I bought it from told me about some downright insulting low-ballers who kept making reference to the fact that the car was green and probably wasn't worth restoring. I told him I didn't care about the color, would probably change it and probably make a Daytona out of it (for me, not to fool anyone) At any rate, he appeciated it and a fair offer and sold me the car.

I wonder how many of those low-ballers would agree or disagree about the color change. I think it would be great to preserve everything as it should be but cars, funds, and ones time are all limiting factors. Anyway when our generation is gone there won't be anyone to care or argue about show poodles having undercariages that are fully refinished instead of left mostly primered and oversprayed body color which is really correct. I wonder how many of these big-dollar Deusenbergs have their value hurt by paint quality and/or colors which aren't technically correct.

I remember seeing a photo shoot on Galens '68 Hemi something in a magazine years ago and peeking out on the firewall was an electronic ignition box ... hmmmmm.

I've also thought about leaving it green but doing the gut in white or saddle which would be an inexpensive "fix" for a future owner. Also, this isn't going to be some inexpensive paint job either... I use Glasurit paint... it ain't cheap. ( have done so long before BASF signed up Chip Foose )


Here's another thought... Anyone have a wing car project they're never gonna get to or can't afford to do right? PM me, you might talk me into swapping for a roticierrie restored C500. Get with me early enough and you can pick the color. Anyway, didn't mean to start a controversy just wanted to see what blue's were "correct" for the C500, which in my case is none.

Re: '69 Charger 500 Color change question [Re: mopar346] #106016
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I thought you were referring to a recent alteration, but I am surprised there was ever a time to throw out a 340 even one of the later cast crank ones. 383s I could see as they were common enough and at a time even a steel crank 440. Next time you need to throw out some 906 BB heads I need a few extra sets.









I was referring to a recent alteration, like 3 months ago........tossed the seized 340, like a boat anchor........have 4 more 440 heads,.....pay the shipping and their yours?.......

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Re: '69 Charger 500 Color change question [Re: MCTPhoenix] #106017
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Personally, if you're thinking of selling, keep it the original color. If you're thinking of keeping, by all means change the color if you wish.. BUT, be prepared for the numerous comments you're going to get about it not being the "proper" original color.. If you can live with that, then cool. With the fact you have a C500 the way YOU want it, it'll outweight any negative criticism you may get.. And this is coming from a C500 owner..

We only live once, so ENJOY your car !!!!!


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Re: '69 Charger 500 Color change question [Re: DAYCLONA] #106018
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Do you think the owner of this Superbird owner considered the originality of his paint choice?..........thank god he didn't,...the car looks awesome in BLACK!........another case of who cares what everyone else thinks,....I'm doing it my way!




The Black Bird does look nice. The car was owned by a Chrysler dealer and he did the paint that way pretty early on. It wasn't very important back then, but there were still a few private snickers about the paint job. The Black Bird is coming up for sale at Auburn on Labor Day weekend. It will be interesting to see how it does.

Bottom line is, if you are willing to risk paying the price when you go to sell, mod away.

Re: '69 Charger 500 Color change question [Re: MCTPhoenix] #106019
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I think I know which car you picked up then. I was one of the people who was trying to purchase the car a few years back. I didn't low ball the guy, I spent at least 5 hours on the phone with the guy trying to figure out what price he wanted for the car. At the time I was talking to him, he wasn't for sure he wanted to sell the car or not.

I would say if you intend on keeping the car by all means paint it B5 blue, and enjoy the heck out of the car. If you want to get the best bang for the buck in resale value, go with the F8 green. Another reason I tried really hard to buy the car before was that it was scheduled to be built on my wifes B-day and I figured it would make a nice car for her once completed.

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Dayclona, you have an e-mail.

Thanks, Kevin


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Re: '69 Charger 500 Color change question [Re: mopar346] #106021
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Dude, don't change the color.

Restore the Charger to the correct paint, sell it, and then buy one the color you want.

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I don't change anything that can't be changed back in a weekend,

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Dude, don't change the color.

Restore the Charger to the correct paint, sell it, and then buy one the color you want.




I see one problem with this.. C500's don't grow on trees and rare iron like this fall into this catagory - "A bird in hand is worth more than two in the bush"..

There aren't a whole lot of C500's, in any color, out there for sale, let alone a color you're looking for.............

Sell the car and take the chance of finding another??? Naaaaaaa

This is the exact reason I'm holding off from any transaction with my '68 Hemi Charger until I know I have a Daytona to replace it with.......

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