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426 Hemi Swap 69 Cuda #1058846
08/21/11 07:32 PM 08/21/11 07:32 PM
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I was wondering if anyone can help me I bought a new power plant for my 1969 Cuda fastback its been a long time comming and I was wondering what I will need to make this an easy swap. I have a 440 now is there will that K-Frame and motor mounts work? Any info would be great!! I plan on installing a MP Crossram instead of inline 2x4

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Re: 426 Hemi Swap 69 Cuda [Re: NoJoke] #1058847
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Re: 426 Hemi Swap 69 Cuda [Re: NoJoke] #1058848
08/21/11 08:34 PM 08/21/11 08:34 PM
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Go to this web page www.engine-swaps.com
Re: 426 Hemi Swap 69 Cuda [Re: MattW] #1058849
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Ed Debevec's (715-267-7141) has complete pre fabbed A-body K-members. Mega Parts might have them to, but not listed on website.

Then use the new A-body TTI headers.

This is much easier and cheaper to do now that ever. Once TTI stepped up to the plate and made headers, then the K-member guys can make K-members to fit.






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Re: 426 Hemi Swap 69 Cuda [Re: autoxcuda] #1058850
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Im running a Hemi 4 speed do these headers still work with a 4 speed?
Re: 426 Hemi Swap 69 Cuda [Re: NoJoke] #1058851
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Im running a Hemi 4 speed do these headers still work with a 4 speed?



The 1st gen prototype set pictured above in Troy's Hemi dart clone will not.

BUT they have now changed them to fit 4 speeds. So 4 speed ones should be ready to ship by now. Call TTI for details. Cheaper and easier than getting your car to a good custom headers builder for Hemi A-bodies like you had to do in the past.

Troy has all the super detailed numbers for motor placement. He will be doing the final motor install in his just painted/primered Dart very. Troy is the one that pushed TTI for years to get these header to market and he offered up his car for prototype testing.

Maybe Troy will pipe in with more details. I bet he is putting the finishing touches on still drying painted cross ram Hemi right now.

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Re: 426 Hemi Swap 69 Cuda [Re: autoxcuda] #1058852
08/21/11 09:58 PM 08/21/11 09:58 PM
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It's alot easier now that k-frame's and Headers are available.

I will ad.. offset mater cylinder plate, shorten the steering column jacket and pass inner fender mods to the list.

If you are planning on running air cleaners with the MP crossram (street car) you MAY have to get a taller scoop from AAR.

I don't like the shape of there xtra tall scoop so I sectioned mine (added 1.25 inches)
Re: 426 Hemi Swap 69 Cuda [Re: SSAAHemiFan] #1058853
08/21/11 10:14 PM 08/21/11 10:14 PM
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You dont think that the air cleaners will fit under this scoop?
Re: 426 Hemi Swap 69 Cuda [Re: NoJoke] #1058854
08/22/11 07:52 AM 08/22/11 07:52 AM
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yes it can be made to fit, but the motor must be positioned correctly. the mp crossram is taller then the original 1s and even they where positioned down 1/2" by using spacers between the k frame and front frame rails. be prepared to run into "issues" as you make the swap as alot of items will have to be tweaked or custom made. pick up jim schild's authenticity guide for info and some help, mancini carries it. don't get discouraged as the end result will be well worth the effort!! dave
Re: 426 Hemi Swap 69 Cuda [Re: 3ddart] #1058855
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air cleaner is a summit 2/4 one that i modified quite a bit. notice the mark on the underside of the scoop were the wing nut is rubbing,

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Re: 426 Hemi Swap 69 Cuda [Re: 3ddart] #1058856
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Im leaning more towards a motor plate for this swap I think it will make life much easier plus it will be more stable in the car... TTI headers are the way to go...
Re: 426 Hemi Swap 69 Cuda [Re: NoJoke] #1058857
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if you go motor plate look in the mopar action magazine archives for the aricles steve maginate did about putting a 440 stage v hemi in his 67 dart. he use a poly bushing on 1 side of the motor plate so the motor could move a little. his is a street car. also i really like the paint on you cuda! dave
Re: 426 Hemi Swap 69 Cuda [Re: 3ddart] #1058858
08/22/11 01:53 PM 08/22/11 01:53 PM
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if you go motor plate look in the mopar action magazine archives for the aricles steve maginate did about putting a 440 stage v hemi in his 67 dart. he use a poly bushing on 1 side of the motor plate so the motor could move a little. his is a street car. also i really like the paint on you cuda! dave



Hi Dave thanks its the original air brush paint from 1973 and I had the white redone about 4 yrs ago.. I will look for that artical you said. This car is a street driven car as well...
Re: 426 Hemi Swap 69 Cuda [Re: NoJoke] #1058859
08/22/11 06:48 PM 08/22/11 06:48 PM
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Would love to see this in the projects section so we all can keep up with your project

It really doesn't matter whether you win or lose…
as long as you look good doing it!

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Re: 426 Hemi Swap 69 Cuda [Re: BloFish] #1058860
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Would love to see this in the projects section so we all can keep up with your project



Yes I will.... The Cuda will be next inline to get done after the 65 Belvedere 1 car is done. So looks like I might just wait till the fall to do this project since im doing chassis work as well to the Cuda... Ill make sure I have plenty of pictures...
Re: 426 Hemi Swap 69 Cuda [Re: autoxcuda] #1058861
08/23/11 08:15 PM 08/23/11 08:15 PM
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I'm running a Hemi 4 speed do these headers still work with a 4 speed?



The 1st gen prototype set pictured above in Troy's Hemi dart clone will not.

BUT they have now changed them to fit 4 speeds. So 4 speed ones should be ready to ship by now. Call TTI for details. Cheaper and easier than getting your car to a good custom headers builder for Hemi A-bodies like you had to do in the past.

Troy has all the super detailed numbers for motor placement. He will be doing the final motor install in his just painted/primered Dart very. Troy is the one that pushed TTI for years to get these header to market and he offered up his car for prototype testing.

Maybe Troy will pipe in with more details. I bet he is putting the finishing touches on still drying painted cross ram Hemi right now.




Hello everybody.
Some time ago I started talking to Sam over at TTI about making "A" body Hemi headers. After a few years they are done.....almost.
I loaded up my 1968 Dart with all of the original front suspension components and took it to TTI. I have spent most of a year trying to figure out where the factory located the Hemi engine between the frame rails. I looked at original factory Hemi cars....original blue prints and talked to anybody that new anything about these cars and came up with the the specs that you will see in these photos. I welded in the mounts, dropped the engine in and TTI did the rest.

Here are a few photos of the engine placement....

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....there is nothing like driving my 1968 Hemi Dart around town and having people looking at you like you're nuts!!
Re: 426 Hemi Swap 69 Cuda [Re: Troy] #1058862
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....there is nothing like driving my 1968 Hemi Dart around town and having people looking at you like you're nuts!!
Re: 426 Hemi Swap 69 Cuda [Re: Troy] #1058863
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Once you get the engine in there are a few things that you should do to make things clear. Steering column tube needs to be shortened by a couple inches so it clears the head. I don't remember the exact amount but you can see in the pictures the amount is no more than a few inches. Here is a shot before....

....there is nothing like driving my 1968 Hemi Dart around town and having people looking at you like you're nuts!!
Re: 426 Hemi Swap 69 Cuda [Re: Troy] #1058864
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Here is a shot after it was cut down...

....there is nothing like driving my 1968 Hemi Dart around town and having people looking at you like you're nuts!!
Re: 426 Hemi Swap 69 Cuda [Re: Troy] #1058865
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Brake system....You need an offset the master cylinder to make room for the valve cover. I used the bracket that you can get through either Mancini Racing or any Mopar Performance dealer. I made the lines myself saving a few bucks along the way.

....there is nothing like driving my 1968 Hemi Dart around town and having people looking at you like you're nuts!!
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