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250hp 300 ft/lb from a street 273? Too much to ask for? #1051920
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Im wanting to build my 273 that's laying in my shop for my 46 dodge pick up. Id like to get around 250 hp and 300 ft lbs from it.this is gonna be a cruiser and will take a few 500 mile found trip s throughout the summer. I have a dual 4's intake setup for it already with two 500cfm holley 2bbls on it.any suggestions on cam specs/heads/etc. for the build?

Re: 250hp 300 ft/lb from a street 273? Too much to ask for? [Re: 78asprin] #1051921
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I wouldn't think this would be too much of an issue, but I have to ask, why not step up to a 318, 340 or 360? Other than the fact that you have the 273 already, you could easily surpass your goals with any of the other three motors.

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Re: 250hp 300 ft/lb from a street 273? Too much to ask for? [Re: dodgeboy11] #1051923
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Sounds kinda dumb but its a sentimental thing,my grandpa gave it to me with the carb/intake setup. He used to run the motor in his old car. So I told him i would rebuild it and put it in the truck to keep it alive. Otherwise, I would be putting a 416 in it.

Re: 250hp 300 ft/lb from a street 273? Too much to ask for? [Re: 78asprin] #1051924
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Back in '66, Mopar had a "D-Dart" version of the 273. It was grossly underated at 275 hp.
If it was that easy to get 275 hp 45 years ago, you can easily break 300+ today with just an 850 cfm 4 bbl. even if you screw up.

Re: 250hp 300 ft/lb from a street 273? Too much to ask for? [Re: 78asprin] #1051925
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Ahh, well that being the case, I would pick up a set of 302 casting heads and use the largest intake valve you can fit to your bore. The top of the cylinder may need to be relieved just a bit, but hopefully not. You'll want to run flat top pistons at zero deck. For a cam I'd consider something similar to this: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/CRO-31241/
though I'd rather see 110 or 108 lobe separation. Port the heads, gasket match the intake to the 360 gasket size and run a Perf RPM intake. A set of headers and I would think this combo would easily meet your goals.

Re: 250hp 300 ft/lb from a street 273? Too much to ask for? [Re: dodgeboy11] #1051926
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Sweet now we are talkin. Thanks for the input guys, i tried asking some people on another forum and everyone bashed the 273. My gpa runs a destroked 273 in his Bonneville truck and holds a land speed record with it so i know theres potential for them to build some ponies. I asked him for input and he was pretty much plannin a drag race motor for it haha, tunnel ram and all. But i want it to have street manners and be able to handle the long distance runs

Re: 250hp 300 ft/lb from a street 273? Too much to ask for? [Re: 78asprin] #1051927
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The 4bbl 273 made 230HP from the factory so you are only asking 20 more HP, not aiming very high in my opinion. A set of headers and modern cam and you will easily surpass that with out pulling the heads.

If you are building a 273 from scratch get flat top pistons made or buy the cheapie ones and deck the block, get some 273 specific gaskets from summit so you can get .030 quench (very small bores and tall pistons can run even tighter but that should be safe and effective). Run a good quality small tube header, SCAT I beam rods, back cut the stock valves(even 360 size valves are gonna be pretty shrouded), do a little basic port clean up and an XE265HL cam on a 110 LSA. You would easily make 300 hp 300#TQ


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Re: 250hp 300 ft/lb from a street 273? Too much to ask for? [Re: 78asprin] #1051928
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I'd think you could get close to 300 with not a ton of work.


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As others have said, headers and a mild cam will get you there.

Err on the mild side in cam selection since it's going in a truck.

Re: 250hp 300 ft/lb from a street 273? Too much to ask for? [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1051930
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The horsepower isn't the real issue. 273s love a little gear and a manual transmission. Use something a little hotter than a stock 340 cam, but not as hot as the D/Dart cam.

Re: 250hp 300 ft/lb from a street 273? Too much to ask for? [Re: Jim_Lusk] #1051931
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The horsepower isn't the real issue. 273s love a little gear and a manual transmission. Use something a little hotter than a stock 340 cam, but not as hot as the D/Dart cam.




Something around the MP .455 lift cam MAY be the ticket. The D-Dart cam IS pretty hot for 273 (even the hydro-cam .509" lift cam is too). IMO, the 68' 340 manual trans cam could be good here too, just degree it!! Food for !!



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Re: 250hp 300 ft/lb from a street 273? Too much to ask for? [Re: HotRodDave] #1051932
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The 4bbl 273 made 230HP from the factory so you are only asking 20 more HP, not aiming very high in my opinion. A set of headers and modern cam and you will easily surpass that with out pulling the heads.

If you are building a 273 from scratch get flat top pistons made or buy the cheapie ones and deck the block, get some 273 specific gaskets from summit so you can get .030 quench (very small bores and tall pistons can run even tighter but that should be safe and effective). Run a good quality small tube header, SCAT I beam rods, back cut the stock valves(even 360 size valves are gonna be pretty shrouded), do a little basic port clean up and an XE265HL cam on a 110 LSA. You would easily make 300 hp 300#TQ




Nice tips on this build Dave!! Quite effective too, especially with the quench issue.
The cam issue is questionable though, there are so
MANY (grinds) ways to exceed this goal as well as being efficient by todays' standards.



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Re: 250hp 300 ft/lb from a street 273? Too much to ask for? [Re: HYPER8oSoNic] #1051933
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The advantage in the cam I mentioned in a small engine vs the ones you mentioned are huge. The small engine will make very little TQ and the mopar cams will not help at all, a short duration high lift cam will help a bunch over the old mopar stuff with long duration short lift. It keeps you from loseing what little TQ they have but still allows them to breath at higher RPM where the small motor has to go to make any respectable HP.


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Re: 250hp 300 ft/lb from a street 273? Too much to ask for? [Re: Commando1] #1051934
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Back in '66, Mopar had a "D-Dart" version of the 273. It was grossly underated at 275 hp.
If it was that easy to get 275 hp 45 years ago, you can easily break 300+ today with just an 850 cfm 4 bbl. even if you screw up.






True, for a setup like the D-Dart which was a DRAG
CAR (NHRA class racing). However, this is a street-type vehicle.
You can get 300hp without resorting to a 850 cfm
carb (save for a TQ). A 600 to 650 cfm carb will
do the job with the right cam/intake combo.



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Re: 250hp 300 ft/lb from a street 273? Too much to ask for? [Re: 78asprin] #1051935
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What year 273 do you have? If it's a 66-67 the heads will be 920 castings. Good head with lots of flow potential. The heads on my 273 are the 920's. We cut 1.88 Ferera valves back to 184 to avoid shrouding, did a lot of bowl blending. They now flow just as good as the 302 with the same mods. They actually have more port velocity than the 302. Go with the Isky E4 grind and stay with solid lifters. The 273 likes lots of gear so if it's a street motor and you don't plan a lot of long distance go with a minimum of 3.91s. If the car is a 4 speed hang on and have some fun.

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The 302 head has a much smaller port, in order for them to flow the same then the 302 has to have more velocity, very simple physics. The 315-920 heads have bigger ports and flow more than the 302 but they are slightly lower velocity.


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Re: 250hp 300 ft/lb from a street 273? Too much to ask for? [Re: HotRodDave] #1051937
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The advantage in the cam I mentioned in a small engine vs the ones you mentioned are huge. The small engine will make very little TQ and the mopar cams will not help at all, a short duration high lift cam will help a bunch over the old mopar stuff with long duration short lift. It keeps you from loseing what little TQ they have but still allows them to breath at higher RPM where the small motor has to go to make any respectable HP.





The MP cams were just an example of the parameters to work around,
NOT for an exact fit. They were mentioned in the above threads. Sure Comp Cams are very
reputable cams, BUT I left the OPTION of freedom of choice to the poster, since there are a VAST majority to choose from. That's all. Who knows, maybe he might go with a custom grind. His decision, anything's possible!!



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Re: 250hp 300 ft/lb from a street 273? Too much to ask for? [Re: HotRodDave] #1051938
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The 302 head has a much smaller port, in order for them to flow the same then the 302 has to have more velocity, very simple physics. The 315-920 heads have bigger ports and flow more than the 302 but they are slightly lower velocity.




Dave, I think the guys are getting confused with the velocity vs. volume issue in the head issue. The 315-920 pieces are better at high rpm power ( more volume=more airflow capability), while the 302 has better low-midrange torque capabilities(more velocity=higher rate of air movement, quicker cylinder filling at low and intermediate engine speeds). I believe the 302's get the nod for this application.



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Re: 250hp 300 ft/lb from a street 273? Too much to ask for? [Re: HYPER8oSoNic] #1051939
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I don't think your goals are out of reach. A number of years ago I saw a little 273 running 10's in a magazine article. Of course it had a set of W-2's and a 509 cam in it though. With the choices of heads and cams out there now a well thought out motor should be easy. Dave

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