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Re: Rear main STILL leaking! [Re: CompWedgeEngines] #1050409
08/13/11 08:18 PM
08/13/11 08:18 PM
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You dont make the bores any bigger than the required specs, which have a low and high limit. The reason the bores arent " expanded" is because tyhe first thing you do is cut a few thousands of an inch off the feet of the main caps. The makes the bore " smaller" to start with, then you bore or hone ( two completely different things) back to the spec size. I prefer to hone to the low limit, which gives the maximum " crush" on the bearing shells. The bearings shells ( outer) dont change, they are all the same size. If a shop does the job RIGHT, they take minimal material off of the block sides ( saddles if you will)of the mains, so as to not change the crank to cam centerline very much. If someone doesnt do it this way, they then change that dimension, and if its been done several times wrong, thats where your " minus" timing chains come into play.



I agree with this , if the line bore is properly done the block dimensions should not have changed , material should be taken of the caps first .
they sell a special main bearing with a slit in it to dump oil pressure away from the seal in the block this may help .

jc whittney used to sell the speacial main bearing.


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Re: Rear main STILL leaking! [Re: Ledman_70] #1050410
08/14/11 03:23 AM
08/14/11 03:23 AM
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West Coast, USA
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The seal is rubber and the crank is smooth. I never even thought to check the back of the motor last summer when I installed a new clutch.




Maybe you could tell us how you are installing it. What sealant you use, where you are putting that, etc. If you explain the entire process/technique you are using, it may uncover a skipped step or other problem.


1970 Plymouth 'Cuda #'s 440-6(block in storage)currently 493" 6 pack, Shaker, 5 speed Passon, 4.10's
1968 Plymouth Barracuda Convertible 408 Magnum EFI with 4 speed automatic overdrive, 3800 stall lock-up converter and 4.30's (closest thing to an automatic 5 speed going)
Re: Rear main STILL leaking! [Re: jbc426] #1050411
08/14/11 09:10 AM
08/14/11 09:10 AM
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Tennessee
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I made my own transmission dust cover with no relief, sealed it with permatex, tapped the bottom of the bellhousing and installed a drain plug. I empty it every couple of months.... ACME APPROVED.

Re: Rear main STILL leaking! [Re: Ledman_70] #1050412
08/14/11 10:29 AM
08/14/11 10:29 AM
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U.S.S.A.
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The seal is rubber and the crank is smooth.




You say you have a stock crank from a 413 and it's seal surface is smooth ???

Re: Rear main STILL leaking! [Re: JohnRR] #1050413
08/14/11 04:59 PM
08/14/11 04:59 PM
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When seal retainer is dismantled: Check with a dial indicator if there is a runout on the sealing surface. It could happen if the crank has been ground on the mains and not properly centered. The sealing surface is normally too narrow to be ground with the crank grinding wheel. So, it depends on the quality and aligning done by the machinist. If this is the case it will not help whatever you do, other than take the crank out, and have it corrected. My

Re: Rear main STILL leaking! [Re: WyleECoyote] #1050414
08/14/11 05:07 PM
08/14/11 05:07 PM
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Florida STAYcation
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I made my own transmission dust cover with no relief, sealed it with permatex, tapped the bottom of the bellhousing and installed a drain plug. I empty it every couple of months.... ACME APPROVED.




ACME approved ? .... now Mr Coyote wouldn't the RoadRunner just plumb-it back into the pan ?


Re: Rear main STILL leaking! [Re: Oyvind Mopar] #1050415
08/14/11 05:10 PM
08/14/11 05:10 PM
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I've correct two engines recently that had received multiple new rear main seals... Both were leaking out of the oil galley plugs.... The plugs were not tapered plugs like the factory plugs, the engines had both been recently (within 5 years) overhauled & both had galley plugs that were not like OE....

BTW You can pull the trans & pull the distributor & oil pump drive & have someone spin the oil pump while you check the galley plugs...

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Re: Rear main STILL leaking! [Re: Oyvind Mopar] #1050416
08/14/11 05:10 PM
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I have been going through the same thing on my 512 (World M/P Block). Leaked on the dyno and I resealed it; leaked in the car and I pulled the motor to inspect it. There was a thread about World blocks being machined wrong for the seal but mine looked ok. I was about to get PO'd and then I seen that there were 2 deep grooves on the top inside of the seal reatainer; I pulled #5 cap and sure enough, the cap was hitting the seal retainer preventing it from seating all of the way. I have used these mancini billet side sealed o ring retainers on several of my builds and never had a problem. I looked at the retainer that came with the block and it is machined a lot more in order to clear the cap. This probably is not your situation but you might check and ensure the retainer is not hitting #5 cap.

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