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Re: My car fall on its face at the 1000 ft? long [Re: topside] #1047956
08/06/11 09:34 PM
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Cab, I think you're about right on the secs/gal; I seem to recall that 20 secs/gal is good for a low-10-sec car.
Fig, take a really good look at your spark plugs & check your float settings, and if there's any rubber hose in the system, make sure there aren't any internal cuts that can create a flap inside the hose that reduces the amount of fuel it can flow. If you're running a stock pickup, make sure the fuel isn't pulling away from it; on my Roadrunner, I added a length of suitable hose that lays on the bottom and extends rearward a bit inside the tank. My Duster uses a sump.




He's right on those numbers BUT those are a VERY
GENERAL number... weight of the car comes into play...
it takes more power to move a 3500# car to low 10s
VS a 2500# car to the same... more power requires
more fuel

Re: My car fall on its face at the 1000 ft? long [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1047957
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Cab, I think you're about right on the secs/gal; I seem to recall that 20 secs/gal is good for a low-10-sec car.
Fig, take a really good look at your spark plugs & check your float settings, and if there's any rubber hose in the system, make sure there aren't any internal cuts that can create a flap inside the hose that reduces the amount of fuel it can flow. If you're running a stock pickup, make sure the fuel isn't pulling away from it; on my Roadrunner, I added a length of suitable hose that lays on the bottom and extends rearward a bit inside the tank. My Duster uses a sump.




He's right on those numbers BUT those are a VERY
GENERAL number... weight of the car comes into play...
it takes more power to move a 3500# car to low 10s
VS a 2500# car to the same... more power requires
more fuel



Lots of variables in this hot rodding business Lots of gremlins also


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Re: My car fall on its face at the 1000 ft? long [Re: fig426] #1047958
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1 gallon in 45 seconds from the blue pump. Picked up a Holley 150 black pump today. It's flow rate is pretty good, came with a new regulator, and it's alcohol compatible if I ever decide to change over. Looking like rain for tomorrow so hopefully if it's dry Wednesday night I'll bring it up to Island for a few passes. http://www.holley.com/12-150.asp





45 seconds...

That can't be good..



Chris..

Re: My car fall on its face at the 1000 ft? long [Re: Chris'sBarracuda] #1047959
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Island is rained out today. Gonna have to wait until Wednesday.


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Re: My car fall on its face at the 1000 ft? long [Re: fig426] #1047960
08/07/11 05:08 PM
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do you have a fuel pressure gauge that you can see .Shoud be dropping at that point at losing HP . Fuel line, fuel filter
bet is the issue as others have said .

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Re: My car fall on its face at the 1000 ft? long [Re: 10 o to go] #1047961
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do you have a fuel pressure gauge that you can see .Shoud be dropping at that point at losing HP . Fuel line, fuel filter
bet is the issue as others have said .




I can't see the guage from the seat. It's on the inner fender. All my lines are clear, filter is good. I'm gambling on the blue pump not keeping up. The black pump is in and I'll find out what happens Wednesday night, weather permitting.


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Re: My car fall on its face at the 1000 ft? long [Re: fig426] #1047962
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How long for the black pump to pump a gallon?


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Re: My car fall on its face at the 1000 ft? long [Re: Shoozy] #1047963
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How long for the black pump to pump a gallon?



140 gph at 7psi. So mathematically it flows 1 gallon in 25.75107296137339055793991416309 seconds. Approximately


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Re: My car fall on its face at the 1000 ft? long [Re: fig426] #1047964
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A realtime test will let you know the entire system. Might be good info to have before you go out again. Plus we're nosy.


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Re: My car fall on its face at the 1000 ft? long [Re: Shoozy] #1047965
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Hey Fig, did you degree your cam, it seems way retarded, had the same problem with a buddy's car, cam was off 8 degrees.

Re: My car fall on its face at the 1000 ft? long [Re: cgall] #1047966
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years ago , I had a BG diaphragm (sp) bypass on a 528 Hemi with a 950 Holley . I happen to look at the fuel pressure gauge as i was going through the lights--2 lbs. Turned the setting on the bypass to get it up to about 6 lb and picked up 8 MPH on the next run.

Re: My car fall on its face at the 1000 ft? long [Re: cgall] #1047967
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Hey Fig, did you degree your cam, it seems way retarded, had the same problem with a buddy's car, cam was off 8 degrees.



Yes sir it's degreed. Pulls nicely in 1st and 2nd, just falls flat in 3rd at about 4000rpm.


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Re: My car fall on its face at the 1000 ft? long [Re: fig426] #1047968
08/08/11 09:11 AM
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140 gph at 7psi. So mathematically it flows 1 gallon in 25.75107296137339055793991416309 seconds. Approximately






You will need to measure it because your overall system also effects what it will flow. Going by the rating alone, your blue pump would have filled a gallon in 32 seconds.


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Re: My car fall on its face at the 1000 ft? long [Re: Rapid340] #1047969
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The number 8 line you have from cell to pump isn't going to cut it. You need -10. The line after the pump can be -8 but I'd go 10 until the regulator then -8's out to the carbs. Your issue is almost certainly a fuel delivery problem.

Re: My car fall on its face at the 1000 ft? long [Re: BobR] #1047970
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dont forget the vent , might surprise you ??

Re: My car fall on its face at the 1000 ft? long [Re: Rapid340] #1047971
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140 gph at 7psi. So mathematically it flows 1 gallon in 25.75107296137339055793991416309 seconds. Approximately






You will need to measure it because your overall system also effects what it will flow. Going by the rating alone, your blue pump would have filled a gallon in 32 seconds.



88gph for the blue. 88gph/60minutes in an hour =1.466 gallons per minute. 60 seconds in a minute/ 1.466 gallons = 40.9 seconds per gallon.


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Re: My car fall on its face at the 1000 ft? long [Re: fig426] #1047972
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I see, I thought you where comparing a 140 GPH free flow black pump to a 110 GPH blue pump. I would still check it.


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Re: My car fall on its face at the 1000 ft? long [Re: Rapid340] #1047973
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Just to be sure, did you check the valve springs? I know you said it pulled strong in 1st and second, but I would check seat pressure and open pressure to be sure...

I used to run 9.55 at 138 with nothing but a single Blue pump...

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Re: My car fall on its face at the 1000 ft? long [Re: cudabin] #1047974
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Made 2 passes tonight with the new fuel pump. First one redlighted -.437. 12.01 at 118mph. Total mess of a start but it pulled strong throughout. Second run. 60 foot 1.705 . .1 slower than last week. 330' 4.844. 1/8 7.424 at 95.56mph. 1000' 9.647. 1/4 11.531 at 119.41mph. I did a bad burnout and spun 1st and second. Pulled strong through the lights at about 6400rpm. Have some other things to sort out, like me being the driver , but I think it should go into the high 10's. Also it runs like turds after I go through the traps. Seems like now it's loaded up with fuel. I'll play with the fuel pressure, maybe a return line. Thanks again to all of you for the help.


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Re: My car fall on its face at the 1000 ft? long [Re: fig426] #1047975
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Made 2 passes tonight with the new fuel pump. First one redlighted -.437. 12.01 at 118mph. Total mess of a start but it pulled strong throughout. Second run. 60 foot 1.705 . .1 slower than last week. 330' 4.844. 1/8 7.424 at 95.56mph. 1000' 9.647. 1/4 11.531 at 119.41mph. I did a bad burnout and spun 1st and second. Pulled strong through the lights at about 6400rpm. Have some other things to sort out, like me being the driver , but I think it should go into the high 10's. Also it runs like turds after I go through the traps. Seems like now it's loaded up with fuel. I'll play with the fuel pressure, maybe a return line. Thanks again to all of you for the help.




Good to hear it pulls all the way... set the pressure,
set the floats and most likely you will have to do
some jetting

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