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Re: WHY
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
#1040948
07/27/11 04:06 PM
07/27/11 04:06 PM
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Cincinnati, Ohio
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Hell some or most would call me the cheapest person here
because I do make alot/most things on my car BUT I
enjoy fabbing... I did build my car... but I dont look
for the cheapest off shore part or the cheapest thing
thats on e-bag ... and they expect it to fit and or
work... it does piss me off that people are loosing
their jobs and they continue to buy off shore... and
then they wonder why their own job is on the line
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Re: WHY
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
#1040949
07/27/11 04:22 PM
07/27/11 04:22 PM
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mckinney texas
shoebox
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I read the ORIGINAL post and was offended. I have cheap and used Parts in my car and I work damn hard to have what I have! Don't Chastise me for having Chinese heads. I know they can be Problematic. I'm going to buy a offshore oil pan for the car... You know Why? The damn milodon 400 dollar pan has to have holes Enlarged and the windage tray modified which is rediculous  might As well save200+ dollars if I'm going to have to modify the thing! ( it would be ok with the OP if I had the milodon pan, modified it then Got mad and blew up on the milodon tech guy on the phone)
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Re: WHY
[Re: shoebox]
#1040952
07/27/11 04:35 PM
07/27/11 04:35 PM
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Finally a HUSKER again
Moparnut426
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I understand the cheap, Ive been ther, But ive never complained, or raised hell with someone because my junk blew up. What Mike is making his main point of, I think, is the guy who cries his eyes out because his cut to fit pushrods bent, and he dropped a valve, which blew it up.
the thread wasnt meant as a snub for the guy who cant afford high dollar parts, it was more of "ive had enough with the phone calls, threads, crying to me about their junk breaking" whe he knows they are running very cheap junk.
Thanks all...
Kasey
Last edited by moparnut426; 07/27/11 04:45 PM.
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Re: WHY
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
#1040953
07/27/11 04:49 PM
07/27/11 04:49 PM
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Tulsa oklahoma USA
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I think cheap means different things to diffrerent people. I cannot speak for high end race parts because some guys have more cash in their block and machine work than I have in my whole car but truthfully I cant justify paying the kind of money it takes for a sheetmetal manifold even if I needed one because they seem over priced to me. If that makes me cheap, so be it... It does seem as though the brand X guys do spend a lot of money to obtain their goals though but that maybe just because there is more of those guys with more money. To me cheap means I'm not gonna buy anything I DON'T need. I dont need T&D rockers on my 12 sec car when stamped rockers will do just fine, or if a certian brand of adj rockers have proven themselves for my application then I would buy those instead. I can spend my money in other places for greater effect. Now to me youre cheap if you use stock rods in a 7000 RPM bigblock on spray and complain when it breaks. I'm sure some will chime in and say it can/has been done but buying better rods instead of a bottle would serve you better in the long run.  With that said I think some folks lose perspective on their build and try to stretch a dollar too far understandably in the pursuit of going faster and get disappionted when it fails.I feel it's better to buy the "good" stuff to run 10's(my goal) safely than the "cheap" stuff and try to run and survive in the 8's.
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Re: WHY
[Re: 2734bbl]
#1040955
07/27/11 05:18 PM
07/27/11 05:18 PM
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Romeo MI
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I think cheap means different things to diffrerent people. I cannot speak for high end race parts because some guys have more cash in their block and machine work than I have in my whole car but truthfully I cant justify paying the kind of money it takes for a sheetmetal manifold even if I needed one because they seem over priced to me.
If that makes me cheap, so be it...
It does seem as though the brand X guys do spend a lot of money to obtain their goals though but that maybe just because there is more of those guys with more money.
To me cheap means I'm not gonna buy anything I DON'T need. I dont need T&D rockers on my 12 sec car when stamped rockers will do just fine, or if a certian brand of adj rockers have proven themselves for my application then I would buy those instead. I can spend my money in other places for greater effect.
Now to me youre cheap if you use stock rods in a 7000 RPM bigblock on spray and complain when it breaks. I'm sure some will chime in and say it can/has been done but buying better rods instead of a bottle would serve you better in the long run.
With that said I think some folks lose perspective on their build and try to stretch a dollar too far understandably in the pursuit of going faster and get disappionted when it fails.I feel it's better to buy the "good" stuff to run 10's(my goal) safely than the "cheap" stuff and try to run and survive in the 8's.
I think the sheetmetal manifolds are way to pricey
also... thats why if I want one I make it... I cant
afford them either... I'm retired... but to the others
I have to save to buy parts or I work more in the
shop to pay for the better stuff... yes I run TD
rockers because I turn a fairly high RPM... but I
saved up for them instead of having something break
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Re: WHY
[Re: dennismopar73]
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07/27/11 05:41 PM
07/27/11 05:41 PM
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aahhh for the good ole days when you could score a Duster for under $1000--grab a 440 out of an Imperial, fresh it up,509 cam, valve springs, intake, cheap 750, headers , pair of slicks, gear, SS springs, shifter, J converter --cheap trailer and a worn out 78 1/2 ton pick up and Bam! You had a Ton of fun ! Now...everyone wants a BS rack and pinion Subframe that cost $3k, a 500 inch dynoed monster, etc etc and you all find your funds to fun ratio is ASKEW!!! Fast means more than fun --it has turned into an arms race--NO open trailers anymore--gotta have a 28 footer hooked to a $50K truck a $10K 4 wheeler etc etc You have lost sight of what a hobby is. Just my opinion--my Grandpa took a $100 12 ga, two apples and two shells--said boy..you want to go deer hunting? Ask Cabellas and you will see that it takes about $50K to be a deer hunter these days---same tale. We all have gone too far. I have sold every Mopar nut and bolt I owned--started gold panning on wk ends ( total cost to start about $80) and have decided a hobby should be fun and cheap. I have started work on my old photo darkroom--items for that are so cheap on Ebay is is just downright funny--started bee keeping and have decided that hobby will eat too much $$ after spending $200 to get started so I will stay with the one hive --I do not need the entire catalog with honey extractor ( $600 ) etc going to do it like Grandpa with a knife and big bowl--etc etc I raced 18 years and do miss it some but I love that extra jingle in my bank account better than racing and besides I can still go see my pals and watch them. We all have to think and go back to the basics in this crazy new USA. so...That is why I think everyone is pinching pennys and looking at China junk--they are not willing to run 7.0 in the 1/8th on stock American parts--( ok some of you can run way better than that on stock stuff but you get the idea) Don't hate me
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Re: WHY
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
#1040957
07/27/11 06:13 PM
07/27/11 06:13 PM
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Holly/MI
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I'll "man-up"..........
I've spent low $$ with a cheap machine shop just to find out that they used soft valveguide inserts and only got maybe 5000 miles out of my cylinder heads when the valves wobbled and beat the seats out of shape.
Now, I found a quality shop with a guy that does good work for a fair price. Pay more, get a decent deal.
Been burned on too many overseas items to risk a totally fresh rebuild to bottom dollar chinese stuff that will most likely have inconsistencies in the castings.
I'd rather build less HP and run more consistantly for years than compromise a higher $ build.
R.I.P.- Gary "Coop" Davis 02/09/68-05/13/04
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Re: WHY
[Re: shoebox]
#1040958
07/27/11 06:32 PM
07/27/11 06:32 PM
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Romeo MI
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I'm not embarrassed to say but why tell the OP and hear flak from
Some a###ole? Why would you even start this thread? Your tube chassis
Fast as #%^* RACE car is ugly anyway!
Oh Shoebox... I'm sorry you dont like my car... I guess
I'm just not into your cookie cutter cheap mentality
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Re: WHY
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#1040960
07/27/11 06:38 PM
07/27/11 06:38 PM
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Pa
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aahhh for the good ole days when you could score a Duster for under $1000--grab a 440 out of an Imperial, fresh it up,509 cam, valve springs, intake, cheap 750, headers , pair of slicks, gear, SS springs, shifter, J converter --cheap trailer and a worn out 78 1/2 ton pick up and Bam! You had a Ton of fun ! Now...everyone wants a BS rack and pinion Subframe that cost $3k, a 500 inch dynoed monster, etc etc and you all find your funds to fun ratio is ASKEW!!! Fast means more than fun --it has turned into an arms race--NO open trailers anymore--gotta have a 28 footer hooked to a $50K truck a $10K 4 wheeler etc etc You have lost sight of what a hobby is. Just my opinion--my Grandpa took a $100 12 ga, two apples and two shells--said boy..you want to go deer hunting? Ask Cabellas and you will see that it takes about $50K to be a deer hunter these days---same tale. We all have gone too far. I have sold every Mopar nut and bolt I owned--started gold panning on wk ends ( total cost to start about $80) and have decided a hobby should be fun and cheap. I have started work on my old photo darkroom--items for that are so cheap on Ebay is is just downright funny--started bee keeping and have decided that hobby will eat too much $$ after spending $200 to get started so I will stay with the one hive --I do not need the entire catalog with honey extractor ( $600 ) etc going to do it like Grandpa with a knife and big bowl--etc etc I raced 18 years and do miss it some but I love that extra jingle in my bank account better than racing and besides I can still go see my pals and watch them. We all have to think and go back to the basics in this crazy new USA. so...That is why I think everyone is pinching pennys and looking at China junk--they are not willing to run 7.0 in the 1/8th on stock American parts--( ok some of you can run way better than that on stock stuff but you get the idea) Don't hate me
Great post!  I think of selling it all too. I buy good parts. It limits me alot. Unlike the others posted above, I dont have people constantly PM ing me complaining about their cheap parts that broke tho.  At least thats how they are making it sound. Give the "cheap" guys a chance to live and learn the same way you did. Some of us take ALOT, and I mean ALOT for granted (union job, good/reasonable health, ). I also know some racers who feed their kids pb&J sandwiches all week just so they can go indulge in racing. Its really hard to box people in like the OP is doing. No disrespect.
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Re: WHY
[Re: sixpackgut]
#1040961
07/27/11 06:39 PM
07/27/11 06:39 PM
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Romeo MI
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Mr P, i love your offshore wheels on your rampage. wish they had more backspacing options  
So do I... sure hope they dont break
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Re: WHY
[Re: Dean_Kuzluzski]
#1040962
07/27/11 06:46 PM
07/27/11 06:46 PM
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quick77rt
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I think weather on the cheap or on the high end its cool we all have mopars. Yea I look at the "others" in jegs and if I had a chebbie id have 3 times the car.....go figure we need approx $1500 in machine work to have a race block ready to assemble on top of the cost of the block... A simple chebbie dart 4 bolt near ready is $1400 http://www.summitracing.com/parts/DRT-31161111/So I myself say props to every poster here and on the site as well for doing all they can do and flying the mopar flag  Opinions vary and so do budgets, ego`s, ect....but at leat its all mopar here.
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Re: WHY
[Re: sshemi]
#1040964
07/27/11 07:12 PM
07/27/11 07:12 PM
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Finally a HUSKER again
Moparnut426
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Heck, Ill name some "cheap" spendy aftermarket parts, and really get the buzz going. Eagle. Not a fan, SIR rods are a total joke. Nat a huge fan of some of the Eagle cranks that still took hundreds of dollars to machine correctly, and balance. Probe pistons, NOT a fan. Ive seen a LOT of them break at the skirt n small block fords. Currently Eddy heads, Not a Fan. Dan over at performance only had to basically re machine everything about them. Guides too tight, valves didnt seal for crap, nasty burrs on the valve stems, etc, etc, So I totally understand both sides to the story, but Ill still bank on the made in the USA parts that cost me more, even if it takes some machine work to make them correct. Besides NOTHING is out of the box good. I would never trust a label to tell me its 100% good to go.  I do agree with Quick77s mentality though, Were all MOPAR here and thats the point correct?? Kasey
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Re: WHY
[Re: Moparnut426]
#1040965
07/27/11 07:43 PM
07/27/11 07:43 PM
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Carson City, Nevada
Biginchmopar
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Mr. P Body, There is a simple sticker some of us need- Look at what I BUILT not what I BOUGHT! The guys that run some of cheap stuff will come to there sinces as soon as they start going fast.
Last edited by Biginchmopar; 07/27/11 07:44 PM.
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