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Re: HP for $$$ [Re: pittsburghracer] #1037544
07/22/11 12:48 PM
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I was looking around the 'net and found this:
http://www.revsearch.com/dynamometer/520street-strip408.html

I have no connection with Jesse Lackman except he lives in my native state. But for what you want this doesn't seem out of line.

R.

Re: HP for $$$ [Re: 1967dartgt] #1037545
07/22/11 12:52 PM
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No not ashamed of what it runs. I grude race it for a litte coin on the spray everyonce in a while. Let me know if your hemi would like some. Its just a little small block on radial tires with stock suspension how fast could it be...




Ok....how about I get me the standard 150 shot and we see what happends? just a stock stroke 440 in a heavy full bodied, full interior 70 Charger




Sure I will make it intresting and run on motor for that one.


omg did u just say u would let mr bigblock have his 150hp shot,and you would just run on motor Brad? wow he didn't even have a response for that..i love it

Re: HP for $$$ [Re: dogdays] #1037546
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That seems like a real good deal!
Sounds very street friendly with good power.

Re: HP for $$$ [Re: dogdays] #1037547
07/22/11 01:01 PM
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Seems like a nice motor, 520 HP out of a 408. Have same motor on a engine stand inthe shop, except MP R/T heads and a little vortech blower on it. Made 485 HP to the tire on pump gas in a 2001 dodge 1500. That was through the overdrive trans and transfercase.


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Re: HP for $$$ [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1037548
07/22/11 01:19 PM
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No not ashamed of what it runs. I grude race it for a litte coin on the spray everyonce in a while. Let me know if your hemi would like some. Its just a little small block on radial tires with stock suspension how fast could it be...




Ok....how about I get me the standard 150 shot and we see what happends? just a stock stroke 440 in a heavy full bodied, full interior 70 Charger


Hey Yuck, you need to put your car together and see what it'll pull on a hard pass. Forget the nitrous, internet, 4 bbl and all that.

Re: HP for $$$ [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1037549
07/22/11 02:38 PM
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a stroked big block would be easier but I dont like working on them because limited engine compartment room




move up to a b-body...




Oh yeah let's get a car that weighs 1000 more pounds that makes sense. I think there's a few pot stirrers here that if they got their butts off the couch and actually went to the drag strip they would find that their porky car with a porky motor ISN'T running circles around all the small blocks. Its just a matter of preference. Plenty of peeps here running small blocks that are faster than your big blocks guys....SORRY that's just how it is. easier and cheaper with a big block.....yes. that's why I'm converting.
But that isn't what this post was about. It was about

Do you go pick on the young kids on the honda sight for fun too?

Re: HP for $$$ [Re: fishy340] #1037550
07/22/11 05:14 PM
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No not ashamed of what it runs. I grude race it for a litte coin on the spray everyonce in a while. Let me know if your hemi would like some. Its just a little small block on radial tires with stock suspension how fast could it be...




Ok....how about I get me the standard 150 shot and we see what happends? just a stock stroke 440 in a heavy full bodied, full interior 70 Charger




Sure I will make it intresting and run on motor for that one.


omg did u just say u would let mr bigblock have his 150hp shot,and you would just run on motor Brad? wow he didn't even have a response for that..i love it




well didn't hey say spray? I'm giving up a ton of weight. My car should run around 11.50. Keep in mind I have a stock stroke 440 with a tiny cam 3800 stall and 3.91's.

Re: HP for $$$ [Re: d-150] #1037551
07/22/11 05:21 PM
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how much are you paying for these power adders beside nitrous hp$$





NO2 is about $500 for the kit and what $70 each time you fill the bottle (every 10-12 runs??) A S/C set-up made fro a Mopar is about $4k. I made my own from a BB Chevy kit for $2200.
Boost is by far the best power adder..it's like a full time 125 shoot and nothing to do but push the go pedal.

Re: HP for $$$ [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1037552
07/22/11 05:33 PM
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mr.yuck i was going with original post horsepower for the money. to me 2200 or 4000 dollars for a half second is pretty expensive. between big block and small block good quality parts about same price then add 4000 dollars just to keep up with big block just ain't cheap.give me half the supercharger cost with big block and it will blow the doors off the small block

Re: HP for $$$ [Re: d-150] #1037553
07/22/11 05:52 PM
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mr.yuck i was going with original post horsepower for the money. to me 2200 or 4000 dollars for a half second is pretty expensive. between big block and small block good quality parts about same price then add 4000 dollars just to keep up with big block just ain't cheap.give me half the supercharger cost with big block and it will blow the doors off the small block




I knocked a second off with only 6psi of boost. I was commenting on the cost. Nether power adder is what I call cheap or part of the original converation.

Re: HP for $$$ [Re: fishy340] #1037554
07/22/11 06:14 PM
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No not ashamed of what it runs. I grude race it for a litte coin on the spray everyonce in a while. Let me know if your hemi would like some. Its just a little small block on radial tires with stock suspension how fast could it be...




Ok....how about I get me the standard 150 shot and we see what happends? just a stock stroke 440 in a heavy full bodied, full interior 70 Charger




Sure I will make it intresting and run on motor for that one.


omg did u just say u would let mr bigblock have his 150hp shot,and you would just run on motor Brad? wow he didn't even have a response for that..i love it




Sure I like a challenge. Its only money!!


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Re: HP for $$$ [Re: d-150] #1037555
07/22/11 06:20 PM
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mr.yuck i was going with original post horsepower for the money. to me 2200 or 4000 dollars for a half second is pretty expensive. between big block and small block good quality parts about same price then add 4000 dollars just to keep up with big block just ain't cheap.give me half the supercharger cost with big block and it will blow the doors off the small block




My buddy with a 406 small block and a liitle procharger F-2 on pump gas and 15 pounds of boost made 711 hp to the rear tire. Figure thats 100 hp in drivetrain losses and 150 hp to turn the supercharger so thats almost a 1000 hp on pump gas and a small block lets see your combo for a n/a big block on pumpgas that makes that kind of steam!!


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Re: HP for $$$ [Re: 1967dartgt] #1037556
07/22/11 07:40 PM
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original post 550 600hp on a budget you guys get off post . i am sure for that small block to hold together with that kind of horsepower it was no budget. i am on a budget when i build motors. i had smallblocks and big blocks.for my budget i can't beat an aluminum head mid 500 lift hydraulic flat cam, 850 cfm carb, steel crank ,built for quench,10.5 to 1 440. next project is my dakota.it is not going to be the fastest at the track but i have less than 5000$ in the whole build.and and will be a/c.i'm not after the smallblock mopars i just want to spank some furds and chebbys

Re: HP for $$$ [Re: 1967dartgt] #1037557
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mr.yuck i was going with original post horsepower for the money. to me 2200 or 4000 dollars for a half second is pretty expensive. between big block and small block good quality parts about same price then add 4000 dollars just to keep up with big block just ain't cheap.give me half the supercharger cost with big block and it will blow the doors off the small block




My buddy with a 406 small block and a liitle procharger F-2 on pump gas and 15 pounds of boost made 711 hp to the rear tire. Figure thats 100 hp in drivetrain losses and 150 hp to turn the supercharger so thats almost a 1000 hp on pump gas and a small block lets see your combo for a n/a big block on pumpgas that makes that kind of steam!!




what did it run I've seen plenty of 1000hp cars on pass time running 10's

Re: HP for $$$ [Re: plycuda] #1037558
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mr.yuck i was going with original post horsepower for the money. to me 2200 or 4000 dollars for a half second is pretty expensive. between big block and small block good quality parts about same price then add 4000 dollars just to keep up with big block just ain't cheap.give me half the supercharger cost with big block and it will blow the doors off the small block




My buddy with a 406 small block and a liitle procharger F-2 on pump gas and 15 pounds of boost made 711 hp to the rear tire. Figure thats 100 hp in drivetrain losses and 150 hp to turn the supercharger so thats almost a 1000 hp on pump gas and a small block lets see your combo for a n/a big block on pumpgas that makes that kind of steam!!




what did it run I've seen plenty of 1000hp cars on pass time running 10's




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Re: HP for $$$ [Re: pittsburghracer] #1037559
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supercharger math doesn't add up.if the supercharger takes 150hp to run how do you add that back into the motor.if this is how it works when i add all this cam ,headers ,windage tray,intake,carb ,heads lite rotating assembly clutch fan and other small stuff together what the manufactures told me it would add i am at 700 horsepower

Re: HP for $$$ [Re: d-150] #1037560
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supercharger math doesn't add up.if the supercharger takes 150hp to run how do you add that back into the motor.if this is how it works when i add all this cam ,headers ,windage tray,intake,carb ,heads lite rotating assembly clutch fan and other small stuff together what the manufactures told me it would add i am at 700 horsepower




You dont add that back in... its what ever is at the
tire or crank ... which ever you want to read

Re: HP for $$$ [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1037561
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so he is saying 1000 horses at crank

Re: HP for $$$ [Re: dogdays] #1037562
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No one is going to try to make 600 hp with stock pistons, so that's not even an issue. It'll be far easier to make the hp with a larger engine, though.

Of course, the cheapest way to go fast is Nitrous.

R.


You cant get close to 550hp on a stock 440 flat top short block with the right set of heads and cam, I bet there are some very close..... My point is its not possible with a low compression 360... so the 360 would cost much more in hardware to even come close... We are talkin low budget right.... as for power adders a stock 440 / 375hp engine with a 150 plate makes around 525... thats close, a 360 at its best with a 150 shot makes 370hp ... not too close

Re: HP for $$$ [Re: d-150] #1037563
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so he is saying 1000 horses at crank




No... it had something like 711 at the tire so its closer
to 800 or so at the crank

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