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Re: HP for $$$ [Re: MIKES_DUSTER] #1037504
07/21/11 09:48 PM
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440.....

Re: HP for $$$ [Re: viperblue72] #1037505
07/21/11 10:06 PM
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Brookeville, Md
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Mr. Yuck you already know the answer to this, as most here. It would generally be easier unless your car is already set up for big block.
But also for the sake of small block argument a 408 is simple and cheap to build and 550hp is easy with a w-2 or eddie head ported. I had one that ran [Email]11.0s@122[/Email] on pump would a 440 run better? Maybe a little but when you gotta change headers, tranny, then no room for power brakes and steering the stroked sb can make sense.





Yes if you have a SB set-up already a SB would be the best way to go but if you start from scratch....

Re: HP for $$$ [Re: jim sciortino] #1037506
07/21/11 10:08 PM
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for 550 hp reliably and most economically...I'd say the 511 B or RB motor with bowl worked E heads and a 255 @.050 .600 lift cam, A St Dommy intake and an 850 carb. I said Economical in terms of least $$$ for the Bang...nothing done right and built to last is truly "cheap".

Buy the E-heads off somebody that just upgraded to Max wedge heads (like many eventually do)

Nothing exotic about the shortblock kit, just top notch machine work and careful assembly.

Easy 550hp, and yes, you can get 550 out of a stock stroke 440 or 451 B....but your streetability will be more reliant on a looser stall and deeper gears. If it's a bracket only car you can surely get there and the streetability isn't an issue.

Case in point...I just did a 414 small block, horse trading parts and a a used solid roller cam I'm pretty safe telling you it makes an easy 550, I can also tell you it cost about $1200-1500 more than if I did the 'economical' 511 I just described above....The extra $$$ is typically in the needed head porting plus the typically higher grade valvetrain you need to reliably spin the motor high enough to use it.
But a B motor don't fit too well in my car. Don't get me wrong I love it but at 500-600 Reliable HP a B/RB is the way to go...the reason is mainly the heads, Small block heads can make that kind of power...but not really out of the box. conversely, I'm pretty certain just about anybody can make 550hp easy (and with broader overall torque and less RPM) with a set of BB E-heads on a 470-up motor pretty easy.....with nothing more than and ultra streetable 235 ish at .050 Hydraulic Flat tap.

Horsepower targets are typically all about head flow requirements...with less regard to cubes (when you make it up with RPM), torque curves and how you wish to apply it to the ground is really a completely different (and application specific) arguement.

Last edited by Streetwize; 07/21/11 10:58 PM.

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Re: HP for $$$ [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1037507
07/21/11 10:11 PM
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Wisconsin
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a stroked big block would be easier but I dont like working on them because limited engine compartment room

Re: HP for $$$ [Re: BLONDE BARRACUDA] #1037508
07/21/11 10:12 PM
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Brookeville, Md
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a stroked big block would be easier but I dont like working on them because limited engine compartment room




move up to a b-body...

Re: HP for $$$ [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1037509
07/21/11 10:17 PM
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The look on the bb guys face when he lost to a sb is priceless!!

Re: HP for $$$ [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1037510
07/21/11 10:20 PM
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Quote:

a stroked big block would be easier but I dont like working on them because limited engine compartment room




move up to a b-body...




Move down to a little car thats light with a small
engine and be just as quick but much more consistent

Re: HP for $$$ [Re: Streetwize] #1037511
07/21/11 10:20 PM
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I get a good 'chuckle' out of these "cheap/easy" threads....
Anybody that is on here reading these posts, that has ANY TYPE of car, KNOWS,,,,nothing is easy/cheap...they all require $$$$ and LOTS of labor time.... If you are looking for cheap/easy,,,buy a Chevy ..already built..


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Re: HP for $$$ [Re: ademon] #1037512
07/21/11 10:26 PM
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The look on the bb guys face when he lost to a sb is priceless!!





it should because it rarely happenes. unless the have a cruch on the small block

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Re: HP for $$$ [Re: HEMI472] #1037513
07/21/11 10:30 PM
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I would do a small block because I have a ton of parts and for a street car a light weight motor on the front makes for a nicer handling and riding car.


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Re: HP for $$$ [Re: HEMI472] #1037514
07/21/11 10:41 PM
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Romeo MI
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The look on the bb guys face when he lost to a sb is priceless!!





it should because it rearly happenes. unless the have a cruch on the small block




Happens alot with me.... I dont know what that word
"cruch" means ... and I assume you meant rarely

Re: HP for $$$ [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1037515
07/21/11 10:51 PM
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cruch" means == blower- turbo- nos- or some sort of power adder

Re: HP for $$$ [Re: HEMI472] #1037516
07/21/11 10:53 PM
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cruch" means == blower- turbo- nos- or some sort of power adder




Oh you mean the fun stuff!!


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Re: HP for $$$ [Re: 1967dartgt] #1037517
07/21/11 10:54 PM
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yes

Re: HP for $$$ [Re: HEMI472] #1037518
07/21/11 10:58 PM
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Sorry I dont have any of that on my little 405ci

Re: HP for $$$ [Re: 1967dartgt] #1037519
07/21/11 11:02 PM
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440 aluminum heads,aluminum intake, aluminum water pump housing and pump ,liter rotating assembly equals stock 360 weight or very close.more horsepower more torque stronger block 440.small block start with magnum block for roller cam, set of any aftermarket heads aluminum or cast iron stroker 408. either combo cheap and both will set you back in the seat

Re: HP for $$$ [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1037520
07/21/11 11:02 PM
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I might have one of those on my little 422.


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Re: HP for $$$ [Re: CHAPPER] #1037521
07/21/11 11:03 PM
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Chino Valley
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Quote:

I get a good 'chuckle' out of these "cheap/easy" threads....
Anybody that is on here reading these posts, that has ANY TYPE of car, KNOWS,,,,nothing is easy/cheap...they all require $$$$ and LOTS of labor time.... If you are looking for cheap/easy,,,buy a Chevy ..already built..




Yep, it would be easier to get this back into light street duty than to build a big small block to pull a B body around.
http://www.racingjunk.com/category/1363/Door_Cars/post/2236813/1979-plymouth-arrow-mopar.html

Re: HP for $$$ [Re: 1967dartgt] #1037522
07/21/11 11:05 PM
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I might have one of those on my little 422.





one of what????

Re: HP for $$$ [Re: HEMI472] #1037523
07/21/11 11:08 PM
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One of those dreadful power adders...


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