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440 build in 2 weeks, what do you think so far?
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Ok so my 440 block is at the machine shop right now getting work done to it. I was kinda wondering what you think of what I have planned so far. I'm purchasing all the parts for it very soon and still open to suggestions on the hardware for this.
Going to be .30 over with a stock stroke steel crank - Won't be changing either of the 2 there. Will also be switching to all ARP bolts
Everything else is open for suggestions
Pistons: Either the KB237 or IC968 pistons.
Edelbrock RPM intake
Edelbrock Thunder AVS 800cfm electric choke
Double roller chain
HV oil pump
Cylinder heads will either be a set of edelbrock rpm or a set of 906 heads that flow just as good as 440source CNC ported stealth heads.
Right now 3.55 gears will prolly switch to a 3.73 gear later this year when I upgrade the rear end. 29" or 31" tall tire from hoosier, same width just different height
Camshaft is very much so up in the air, as there's quite a few to choose from, all of these being a comp cam
The xtreme energy high lift cams, Either the 275, 285 or 295. Theres also a cam similar to the 285 at the machine shop my work is getting done that is their own custom grind they use. I've also looked at the purple plus cam comp offers. Oh, and the torque converter will be matched to whichever camshaft is used.
This is all getting done in the next couple weeks i'll be ordering parts this weekend most likely. Any comments or suggestions would be cool. The engine will be going into my 72 charger project
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Re: 440 build in 2 weeks, what do you think so far?
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I recommend either adding hardened valve seats to the heads or running a fuel additive if you run the 906's . I tore down my 440 in my old rat-rod when I found compression way down in 1 cylinder, the exhaust valve on #5 was sunken pretty deep..... only 70 psi. It sounds like a fun build . Donnie 
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Re: 440 build in 2 weeks, what do you think so far?
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set of 906 heads that flow just as good as 440source CNC ported stealth heads.
Pretty unlikely.
Yeah, No way!
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Re: 440 build in 2 weeks, what do you think so far?
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set of 906 heads that flow just as good as 440source CNC ported stealth heads.
Pretty unlikely.
Yeah, No way!
A set is possible , but would have had to start out as a very good core and by the time you get to those numbers they'll be very crack prone.
Plus unless one has to run to specific rules, or likes to spend money to use someone elses outdated parts, any set of open chamber heads is pretty silly choice given the cost effective closed chamber alternatives available .
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Re: 440 build in 2 weeks, what do you think so far?
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set of 906 heads that flow just as good as 440source CNC ported stealth heads.
Pretty unlikely.
Yeah, No way!
A set is possible , but would have had to start out as a very good core and by the time you get to those numbers they'll be very crack prone.
Plus unless one has to run to specific rules, or likes to spend money to use someone elses outdated parts, any set of open chamber heads is pretty silly choice given the cost effective closed chamber alternatives available .
Well I guess I need to rephrase, there was a guy in there not too long ago that did a 440 build, had 906 heads done, larger stainless valves, upgraded all the hardwear, hardened seats and had all kinds of port work done to them. He decided to go to the 440 source CNC heads, he gained a fair amount of HP and TQ but I wouldn't think it would be enough to warrant a set of $2000 heads, just from looking at his dyno sheets.
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Re: 440 build in 2 weeks, what do you think so far?
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headers?? cam will depend on what converter you choose. 3.73's would really get that big car going but 3.55's would allow you a better highway ride. You just have to figure out which is more important. That will also effect your cam choice. Summit has a "information" page for each cam. read it and decide which would be best for your application. The thunder 800 should be fine unless you are looking for all out performance.
Oh yeah, definitely headers, forgot to mention that. I'd be getting a quality set of longtube headers, Either the 1 3/4 or 1 7/8 from like TTI or something.
I wasn't entirely sure on the edelbrock carburetor, not sure how much horsepower it'd leave on the table compared to maybe a slightly bigger holley. I'll have to do some more research on that part
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Re: 440 build in 2 weeks, what do you think so far?
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headers?? cam will depend on what converter you choose. 3.73's would really get that big car going but 3.55's would allow you a better highway ride. You just have to figure out which is more important. That will also effect your cam choice. Summit has a "information" page for each cam. read it and decide which would be best for your application. The thunder 800 should be fine unless you are looking for all out performance.
Oh yeah, definitely headers, forgot to mention that. I'd be getting a quality set of longtube headers, Either the 1 3/4 or 1 7/8 from like TTI or something.
I wasn't entirely sure on the edelbrock carburetor, not sure how much horsepower it'd leave on the table compared to maybe a slightly bigger holley. I'll have to do some more research on that part
Actually a Holley 750HP might be all you need.
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Re: 440 build in 2 weeks, what do you think so far?
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headers?? cam will depend on what converter you choose. 3.73's would really get that big car going but 3.55's would allow you a better highway ride. You just have to figure out which is more important. That will also effect your cam choice. Summit has a "information" page for each cam. read it and decide which would be best for your application. The thunder 800 should be fine unless you are looking for all out performance.
Oh yeah, definitely headers, forgot to mention that. I'd be getting a quality set of longtube headers, Either the 1 3/4 or 1 7/8 from like TTI or something.
I wasn't entirely sure on the edelbrock carburetor, not sure how much horsepower it'd leave on the table compared to maybe a slightly bigger holley. I'll have to do some more research on that part
Actually a Holley 750HP might be all you need.
Alrighty, thanks everyone for the input so far.
Now my mission is to see what tires I can fit under the 72.
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Re: 440 build in 2 weeks, what do you think so far?
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set of 906 heads that flow just as good as 440source CNC ported stealth heads.
Pretty unlikely.
Yeah, No way!
A set is possible , but would have had to start out as a very good core and by the time you get to those numbers they'll be very crack prone.
Plus unless one has to run to specific rules, or likes to spend money to use someone elses outdated parts, any set of open chamber heads is pretty silly choice given the cost effective closed chamber alternatives available .
Well I guess I need to rephrase, there was a guy in there not too long ago that did a 440 build, had 906 heads done, larger stainless valves, upgraded all the hardwear, hardened seats and had all kinds of port work done to them. He decided to go to the 440 source CNC heads, he gained a fair amount of HP and TQ but I wouldn't think it would be enough to warrant a set of $2000 heads, just from looking at his dyno sheets.
Unless you already have a set of 906's that flow over 300cfm you'll spend that 2k real easy TRYING to get there.
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Re: 440 build in 2 weeks, what do you think so far?
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headers?? cam will depend on what converter you choose. 3.73's would really get that big car going but 3.55's would allow you a better highway ride. You just have to figure out which is more important. That will also effect your cam choice. Summit has a "information" page for each cam. read it and decide which would be best for your application. The thunder 800 should be fine unless you are looking for all out performance.
Oh yeah, definitely headers, forgot to mention that. I'd be getting a quality set of longtube headers, Either the 1 3/4 or 1 7/8 from like TTI or something.
I wasn't entirely sure on the edelbrock carburetor, not sure how much horsepower it'd leave on the table compared to maybe a slightly bigger holley. I'll have to do some more research on that part
Actually a Holley 750HP might be all you need.
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Re: 440 build in 2 weeks, what do you think so far?
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set of 906 heads that flow just as good as 440source CNC ported stealth heads.
Pretty unlikely.
Yeah, No way!
A set is possible , but would have had to start out as a very good core and by the time you get to those numbers they'll be very crack prone.
Plus unless one has to run to specific rules, or likes to spend money to use someone elses outdated parts, any set of open chamber heads is pretty silly choice given the cost effective closed chamber alternatives available .
Well I guess I need to rephrase, there was a guy in there not too long ago that did a 440 build, had 906 heads done, larger stainless valves, upgraded all the hardwear, hardened seats and had all kinds of port work done to them. He decided to go to the 440 source CNC heads, he gained a fair amount of HP and TQ but I wouldn't think it would be enough to warrant a set of $2000 heads, just from looking at his dyno sheets.
Unless you already have a set of 906's that flow over 300cfm you'll spend that 2k real easy TRYING to get there.
I talked to the owner of that engine with the 906 heads, he might make me a deal on them 
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Re: 440 build in 2 weeks, what do you think so far?
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Re: 440 build in 2 weeks, what do you think so far?
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My first question is how do you intend to use the car ?? Will it just be a driver ? Or will it be a street/strip car you know a weekend warrior at the strip ? Are you looking for the most power fastest et's you can get and is drieability an issue ? And will it have to be a stricktly pump gas eng ?? This would give us a better idea of how you want to build it. Is money a priority in other words is it a budget build like most of us do ? Ron
Will be a driver on every conceivable day of the year, drag strip on occasion, 91 pump gas. 1/4 mile E.Ts are definitely a plus. Driveability I'm not too worried about, I don't want to go too radical of a cam maybe a converter that was around a 2500-2800 stall with cam to match that. As far as money goes... Its getting $1400 of machine work and a slew of new parts so its just short of being an all out race motor, it'll be about $4000-5000 when its all done. I guess this is going to be a similar build to what carcraft did a while back.
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Re: 440 build in 2 weeks, what do you think so far?
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Are you sending the pistons to the shop so they can hone to match the bore for proper fit?
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Re: 440 build in 2 weeks, what do you think so far?
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Do you have any et goals in mind ? I mean would 12's do it or are you looking to tap high 11's ? Ron
Hitting 11's would just be phenomenal. I would expect it to hit 12's no problem though.
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