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build me a bad a$$ small block
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07/19/11 02:03 PM
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i want to know how much $$$ and what do i need to build a 440 ci small block?
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Re: build me a bad a$$ small block
[Re: jim sciortino]
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07/19/11 02:15 PM
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I dont think it needs to be crazy expensive with w8s or 9s. maybe indy-1s.
pump gas combo around 700-750hp. what kind and size crank is needed to get that many cubes?
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Re: build me a bad a$$ small block
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07/19/11 02:40 PM
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ok, so by the lack of response, i take it that a 440 cube small block is not your basic cookie cutter small block
so, first thing i would like to know, is what type of block do you need to build this very large small block? what would be the bore and stroke?
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Re: build me a bad a$$ small block
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07/19/11 02:50 PM
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I think a 4.125 crank like BPE sells at 4.100 bore should get you around 440 cubes.
If i was doing old school smallblock like that, i would probably use a 48 degree block and the 48 degree indy heads. good roller ,good headers, should be able to make 700 without a ton of effort.
could just as easily do it with a good X block at 4.100 bore as well with the 59 degree indy heads.Electric water pump, vacuum pump,electric fan, etc should be real doable.
Another way is to just by an r5p7 busch motor, run it on e85 and you are there as well, and WAY cheaper.
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Re: build me a bad a$$ small block
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I would go with the bigger bore if you want to use w8 or 9 heads, you just cant fit 2.20 intake valves in a 4.10 bore 
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Re: build me a bad a$$ small block
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07/19/11 03:01 PM
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price check on aisle 3
indy sells a 440 short block
360-S7-440A
$4945
indy 360-1 kit is $3535
not sure if i want to go this route since i wouldnt use their pushrods or rockers.
do these heads need porting? how much would that add?
would i want to do the 48 degree upgrade? i would think so, right?
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Re: build me a bad a$$ small block
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07/19/11 03:17 PM
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I would go with the bigger bore if you want to use w8 or 9 heads, you just cant fit 2.20 intake valves in a 4.10 bore
Correct, that is why he said above he doesnt think it has to be a w8 or w9 deal. with an indy head 4.100 with a long crank would be fine.
If i wanted a bad [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean] small block on the cheap, it would be an r5p7 motor, can get a fresh, COMPLETE, and ready to run motor that will make 700 horsepower( likely more)easily for less than you can build an eddie headed 416 that would make 500 ponies, much less an indy headed deal you are going to have 15k in or more when all is said and done.
freind of mine locally did this exact thing and went 9.40's with the supplied belt driven water pump, and junk headers he fabbed up off a w2 motor. And it ran super cool at the track with even back to back laps. Drove it around on the street as well.No telling what it may have run had he played with it a little more than he did.
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Re: build me a bad a$$ small block
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07/19/11 03:19 PM
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ok, here is what i got
short block $4945
360-1 48* $4535
cam, lifters,shaft $1000
headers $750
carb $1000
oil system, cooling, balancer and dist & wires $2000
i'll port the heads and intake myself to save some cash.
will this do it? 700-750hp?
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Re: build me a bad a$$ small block
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07/19/11 03:22 PM
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48 degree is well worth a grand.
Sounds like you want a low RPM engine grunt engine.
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Re: build me a bad a$$ small block
[Re: sixpackgut]
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07/19/11 03:37 PM
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48 degree is well worth a grand.
Sounds like you want a low RPM engine grunt engine.
no, why do you say that? that is why i would choose the bigger bore over the stroke 
that many inches even with an indy head is going to lower the power band down somewhat.my old w5 motor was pretty much done at 7000rpm even at 422 inches, i suspect it made peak power at about 6700-6800rpm. With pump gas you obviously will have a smaller camshaft than something with 13 or 14 to 1 compression. 440 inches on pump gas with indy heads should make its most power probably around 6500 imo.
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Re: build me a bad a$$ small block
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07/19/11 03:48 PM
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48 degree is well worth a grand.
Sounds like you want a low RPM engine grunt engine.
no, why do you say that? that is why i would choose the bigger bore over the stroke
that many inches even with an indy head is going to lower the power band down somewhat.my old w5 motor was pretty much done at 7000rpm even at 422 inches, i suspect it made peak power at about 6700-6800rpm. With pump gas you obviously will have a smaller camshaft than something with 13 or 14 to 1 compression. 440 inches on pump gas with indy heads should make its most power probably around 6500 imo.
Oh, i see what your saying. Hell, i saw a set of 360-1 heads on quicktrees motor and those ports looked huge to me. as a matter of fact, at a PRI show, quicktree started cracking up, and i was like what are you laughing at, he said look how small those bb ports are. he was pointing at EZ heads 
anyone know how Quicktree is doing?
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Re: build me a bad a$$ small block
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Your head choice.
And for what you are wanting to do that is about the best choice out. Strokers are great when you want to get it done with less RPM. You want some RPM build less stroke.
My choice would be 4.00" stroke and go for at least 4.125" bore.
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